The C128 is like 3 computers in one - C64, C128 and CPM box. It also had two processors (not dual working though) - 6510 and Z80 and it's like monster 8 bit machine, but came too late probably. The C128D desktop case is the same one used in the A1000, but in the computer world two 8 bits (or even three in this case aren't equal to one 16 bit). So I still prefer my A1000. Of course the C128 is better than the AppleIIc+ in hardware aspects, but if you look at the software base, you might find yourself more comfortable on the AppleII, except you are a hardcore gamer, who doesn't use the computers for anything else, and love to wait long diskloads (if you haven't installed fastloader). :-P