Aos 3 -> mos

[drHirudo]

Hello!

I'd like to know why people using AOS 3 doesn't jump on the MOS train? What is holding you back exactly? I've been an a4k user myself but the MOS is offering much more than the classic Amiga can have.

Now I'm sure that some AOS 4 users will go crazy here since I didn't mention AOS 4 but I'm wondering why people are stuck with the classics. Nothing wrong with that except that they are missing out on so many great things.

This is offcourse in my opinion but I feal that taking a step forward wouldn't hurt? Also you can keep your classics while moving forward!

You shall feal really at home with mos, just like using aos 3 but better. I've read that mos classic wasn't good but for Pegasos it runs really well actually and from what I've read it does on the Mac boards too. Why not give it a try, it won't hurt you :-P

[drHirudo]

Hmm, either Hotrod has two accounts or you just like cuting and pasting....

I have nothing to do with Hotrod, I just asked the same questions he asked regarding AmigaOS 4, to see if the same reasons are towards MOS or there are different reasons for AmigaOS 3 users to prefer their OS than something more modern.

[drHirudo]

Well, since I am an AmigaOS 3.x user, I can tell you there are much more less things holding me back from MOS than from OS4.
I wouldnt touch OS4 ever again, even if with a stick.

Wrote nothing in substance as an answer, but did not miss the opportunity to slam the Amiga.
Nice.

[drHirudo]

Which Amiga?

AmigaOS 4 in your case. You mister are a fine example of a hater who is hating AmigaOS 4 just for the reason that he must have something to hate, without providing any reasoning.

You just like the other several Amiga haters, who pollute the forums all the time don't need to provide any answer. Better stay quiet, because your answers aren't answers at all, just noise.

............

Back to the original question! What's keeping you with AmigaOS 3, to not consider upgrading to something newer?

[drHirudo]

@Kesa

I wouldnt touch OS4 again, even if with a stick because:

1.Slow boot times. I wouldnt leave a hobby OS computer 24 hours on, hence booting time, when in the mood to tinker is relevant on any hobby OS.

AmigaOS 3 have slower boot time for me. If you are booting into a clean Workbench AmigaOS 3, then it may be very fast, but if you add all the patches, hacks and applications that wouldn't bring even half of the usability of AmigaOS 4 (fully working connected TCP/IP stack, Dock, 32-bit icons, virtual memory, contextal menus, visual prefs, memory protection etc..) it will boot much slower, if booting at all.

2.Restrictive hardware requirements, not only in price, but in performance and availability.

Same can be said about AmigaOS 3 and MorhpOS. Your point exactly being?

3.No relation to what I knew as an Amiga, except trademarks and the boing logo.

The last real Amiga that you knew as is AmigaOS 3.1. 3.5 and 3.9 are coded by third parties. AmigaOS 3.5 is a joke, 3.9 fixed most of the needs of Aminet patches, but still comes with restricted TCP/IP stack. Currently AmigaOS 4 have the best TCP/IP stack of all AmigaOSes.

4.FUD coming from the company that develops its OS. And a cult like sect of followers that try to delude everyone else, this is the second coming of Christ, thinking everything else represents the evil.

Same can be said for AmigaOS 3.5-3.9 and MOS. Your point exactly being?

5.A hell of a buggy OS to deal with. Believe me, I ´ve been there, and I had GrimReaper all over me, on a deafult install, on good working hardware (tested on linux).

AmigaOS 3.9 is buggy as well. To get it to usable state you must install gazzilion of patches and hacks that start to conflict with each other at some stage of bringing it to half usable modern OS.

6.An OS that is a resource pig, it eats at least 64MB of ram just to stay idle. On 3.x I can multitask even with 512KB!

Run WHDLoad and enjoy all the multitasking of AmigaOS 3.x with 512 KB. Oh, wait WHDLoad won't run with 512 KB. Wait, you will need some patches that will not fit in 512 KB. Okay, reboot press both mouse buttons and disable the startup-sequence. Into the shell that appears, type LoadWB and enjoy the 512 KB fully usable modern OS. Do you like what you see?

7.No really new feature or software that makes it unique or gives it a peculiar charm compared to other hobby OSes.

The charm that its very much like AmigaOS 3 as I know it, only better, upgraded, modern, less buggy and having more applications is good enough for me.

8.Price.

AmigaOS 3.9 was released for free? 3.5? MOS? When?

9.Quality/Vendor support.

Acube, Vesalia, Hyperion provided me enough support when I needed it. Probably you have different experience to which I am really sorry about you.

10.Friendly enough userbase.

All the AmigaOS 4 users I have contacted are friendly with me. All the AmigaOS 3 I have contacted are friendly with me. All the MorphOS users I have contacted are friendly with me. I see no difference.

There are many others, that I could mention, but these are the ones that I feel are my stronger points against OS4.

BTW, You asked a question. I answered in a sincere manner. If you dont like my answer, just learn to live with it.

Thanks for your answers. I did not agree with you, see above my points.

[drHirudo]

Still advertising memory protection on AmigaOS4?
Let's say it again: there's *NO* memory protection on AmigaOS4 (nor AROS, MorphOS).

Both MorphOS and OS4 come with limited protection in some cases, but it's nothing to do with real memory protection. So please stop including it as an AmigaOS4 feature.

I had limited memory protection in AmigaOS 3, thanks to MuForce. It helped me a lot and saved me crashes and redoing unsaved work. The AmigaOS 4 partial memory protection is much better than the hacks and patches of AmigaOS 3, bringing half the functionality of AmigaOS 4 memory protection.

[drHirudo]

Because the doc wants to defend OS4 some more.

That was not my intention. I did not want OS4 in this thread at all, but it was brought by the usual suspects (the haters). The question is why not MOS, instead of AmigaOS 3? I already gave explanation why I moved from AmigaOS 3 to something resembling more modern OS. (AmigaOS 4 in my case).

P.S. I am tired with all the crap thrown by MOS supporters. MOS runs on restricted hardware of limited availability. If it have more hardware options than AmigaOS 4 it does not make MOS having more options than it have. Currently MOS does not run on most of the models Macs.
A simple fast google search of buy mac, brings the following:
buy mac. MorphOS is not available on any of the listed models there. While someone may jump and say - look there is G5 Mac, it ruuuuuuns on it, then he is a moron and MorphOS lover, because it is not available for public release.

P.P.S. Buy Amiga. First result - Minimig, Amiga 1200, Sam460 distributor. Enough said.

[drHirudo]

"Haters"? Interesting concepts, but I don't hate OS4.
And the specific Mac models supported by MOS are in no way limited in their availability.

They are limited in availability. I can not find any of these specific Mac models in my area. While ebay is an option and I already have pretty good positive feedback by purchasing products, I am not interested in paying expensive shipping from UK or USA. And I must wait as well. The nearest Carrefour stocks Macs but none of them is supported by MOS.

See, I can answer MOS related questions, without bringing AmigaOS 4 to it. Why other people need to bring it is beyond any explanation other than they are haters.

[drHirudo]

Perhaps there is more infrastructure remaining in Europe than in the U.S. since we were affected 1st.
Anyway, this topic is dangerous since it opens the door to postings about new Amiga outlets opening in the U.S.
[evil grin]

#6

Why buy Macs at all? In USA you can have bunch of Macs in 31 seconds for free:
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It can not get any cheaper than that. And they are new. Surely MorphOS would had advantage here, only if it was working on laptops.