Why no new hardware for MorphOS??

[drHirudo]

I think the high end G5's will outperform the X1000 in many (most?) benchmarks.

Yes, in the Power consumption at most.
In noise generation as well.
In dust collection benchmarks if you don't clean it often.

I see a lot of old mac scrap loving guys. You assume that the old cheap machine is good for you, but for me a new less power consuming machine like AmigaOne X1000 and Sam460 are better purchases, even if more expensive than an old G5 Mac.

In two years of usage time, I will pay less for my new AmigaOne hardware, than you for your old Mac, if I calculate the electricity bills in the equations. And I do.

If someone else pays your electricity bills, then buying old power un-efficient Macs with CRT is good. Too bad I have to pay my bills by myself, so I can not afford to have old G5 Mac or CRT machine. Will go for the AmigaOne though.

Of course my equations will not work for you because:
1. You don't use your MorphOS machine a lot.
2. You don't pay your bills.
3. You hate having new stuff.
4. You want to look cool by showing your friends how your old Mac runs another operating system (how unimpressive).

I believe people will be more impressed to see MorphOS running on NEW Apple or other brands hardware, but that is just me.

Regards

[drHirudo]

1) who says we dont,  you been hiding in my house or something

Because running G5 Mac is damn expensive power consumption experience. If you don't use MorphOS a lot, you will not be afraid to have it running and mostly idling on G5 power (consumption) station.

2) I have been paying my own bills for 16 years you condescending person

So you never look at your bills? Or you never care what you pay for what? I see a lots of posts before you, saying how buying old Mac saves money. But please be clear - it saves money in the initial purchase. I presume you don't love to forecast the events.

3) What an idiotic thing to say

Read the posts before me, including the posts made by yourself, about how you praise the old hardware and how wonderful it is. And how you trash the new Amiga hardware. What an outsider would think? Please be honest.

4)  Dont give a fook for Macs, its just what MorphOS runs on.

MorphOS don't runs on Macs. It runs on a very narrow range of DESKTOP Mac machines with specific CPUs (PPC) and specific graphics cards. I have a Mac (notebook) at home and it does NOT run MorphOS. Please be honest, because not everyone who reads your Macs praises is an outsider.

[drHirudo]

Okay, the answer of the thread why no new hardware for MorphOS is stated in thread about Sam 460

The money from the registrations is mostly used to keep the web site, registration server and other support infrastructure running. It is also used to obtain hardware for potential future ports.

Keyword in the above statement obtain. I.e. money coming from MorphOS registrations are used to obtain potential hardware for future ports, not development of hardware, research, marketing or anything else. The money coming from MorphOS are not going to MorphOS at all, and are used to obtain old hardware, that is getting older and older. Hence the reason Why no new hardware for MorphOS.

[drHirudo]

If you think that the income from registrations would generate enough income to allow developing our own custom hardware you're deluding yourself.

Custom hardware in the Amiga Community was developed without any prior income - reference - Minimig, AmigaOne X1000.

However, nowhere do I claim that it would be all "old" hardware. That's just your wishful thinking.

There is no proof on the Internet, neither at any of the recent Amiga shows, to believe there will be new hardware running MorphOS. Of course nothing stops MorphOS being ported to new hardware, as nothing stops AmigaOS being ported to new hardware. But lets have facts at hand. So far - no new hardware for MorphOS. The reasons stated in my previous post are still valid.

[drHirudo]

1. You can't run MorphOS on a MiniMig-class device (< 50 MHz CPU, < 8 MB of RAM).

Bad for MorphOS. Less potential customers. I am going to buy C-One with MiniMig extender module. I will not miss MorphOS though, but if it was running I would give it a try.

2. AmigaOne was not developed - it was just a slightly modified Teron mobo.

You can't run AmigaOS on Teron mobo. There are Amiga developments on the AmigaOne board.

3. X1000 does not exist as a sellable product yet. Also Trevor Dickinson cash may be considered a "prior income".

Sam 460 exists. The income from the sales of the Sam 440 were used for the development and marketing of the Sam 460 and AmigaOS 4.1. The AmigaOne X1000 was shown running AmigaOS 4.1.  The sales of AmigaOS 4.1 helped Hyperion go to the exhibitions and show the machine running AmigaOS 4.1.

So why are you so sure then?

Okay, come on. MorphOS still does not work good on Mac laptops, neither on G5 Macs, nor is available to the public, but is was shown at shows and on the Internet.

Are you saying that MorphOS runs on some unknown, brand new hardware, that the developers are not willing to share about? Come on.

[drHirudo]

So what? My old, dusty, stinky power mac is still outperforming your brand new, shiny AmigaOS4 hardware.

Why is it stinky?

Some people prefer brand new machines, than used, smelly, scratched and looking bad machines.
One of the reasons I prefer new hardware over old hardware is because of that odd smell. Especially if the previous owner was a smoker, the smell is disgusting.

[drHirudo]

Good luck running AmigaOS4 on it!

AmigaOS is good enough for me. Also, I feel at home with it

The only difference was a dongle inside the firmware that OS4 checks for. You wouldn't want to have customers able to run your OS on nothing but HW you control after all?

The other difference was that AmigaOne was available for purchase in single quantities for
end customers. Can you say the same for the Terons? So far - AmigaOne - end user product - Teron - development board. Quite a difference.

It runs very well on my PowerBook G4.

Not on mine. So far you can not say that MorphOS runs on PowerBooks G4, because it does not. You can say that MacOS X runs on PowerBooks and it is the truth. MorphOS does not run on my PowerBook. MorphOS does not run on Mac PowerBooks, period.

You expect anyone to reveal anything to you about any possible future developments? Come on.

It was a common tactic of MorphOS devs to reveal possible future developments, especially when new Amiga developments were announced and took all the attention of the tiny community. Of course I am not expecting for you to admit your tactics - but the pattern is obvious.

[drHirudo]

Your Power Book is not the only one in the world. What if I state that Power Mac model I own, is unable to run MacOS?

That statement would be utterly wrong. Fact is that you CAN install MacOS on this model.

I have no MacOS installed on my HDD, so I can't run it here. There is some difference between "There is no public version of MorphOS running on PowerBook" and your claims.

There is version for your Power Mac model of MacOS X that runs on it. There is no version of MorphOS that runs on my PowerBook.

I've worked in MorphOS on such a PowerBook for a few hours. What now?

MorphOS works on very narrow range of PowerBook models with specific video chips inside. MorphOS does not work on PowerBooks, period.

Now imagine this scene: You run MorphOS on Powerbook and some experienced Mac user likes the operating system and want installed it on his Powerbook.
-Then you make a statement - it works on Powerbook!
So he trusts you and downloads MorphOS, only to find that it does not work on his Powerbook.  I would prefer to avoid situations as such, where I will be taken as liar. But when you say - MorphOS runs on Mac Powerbooks - you will be a liar.

[drHirudo]

Are you stating that MorphOS runs on Powerbooks? Please write it so I can quote you in the Mac forums. Surely a selling point for the Powerbooks. Will raise their price a lot.

[drHirudo]

And a few lines later...



Note that when we take into account your first statement cited above and apply your logic of "one case falsifying all other cases", you are a liar now...

What? Citing my words out of context in order to prove some fallacy. What a nice dood you are.

I say it again. Please read carefully:

MorphOS works on very narrow range of PowerBook models with specific video chips inside. MorphOS does not work on PowerBooks, period.

[drHirudo]

Your arguments defy logic.

Just so we're all on the same page, the public version of MorphOS available today runs on:
Any Powermac

Cool. I will buy Powermac. It will run MorphOS!

The same argument your mate Krashan used.

[drHirudo]

So you have decided to use such primitive tricks as cutting statements fragments to support your lack of logical reasoning? Do you really think that noone will notice a difference between "Any Powermac G4 Tower with ATI graphics" and your manipulated "Any Powermac"? Simply pathetic.

Just like you skipped the first statement of mine and then used the later part.
Do you really think that noone will notice a difference between the whole post and the part you quoted?

[drHirudo]

^ Fixed that for you, and yes, it will! Hope you have a lot of fun with your new machine

Surely, I will have lot of fun with my new AmigaOne machine Thank you

[drHirudo]

It's because these compatible PPC Macs can be bought at a fraction of the price of a custom built "amiga" hardware. Say 200 € instead of 1000+ € for a complete system.

Please don't omit very important parts in your statement. These compatible PPC Macs can be bought second hand at a fraction of the price of a custom built "amiga" hardware. Say 200 € instead of 1000+ € for a complete system.

You can buy designer's clothes for pennies at a thrift shop, that cost hundred of dollars in the mall. You can buy used Mac very cheap as well. If you are into that kind of stuff.

[drHirudo]

@drHirudo

I bet no OS4 user has ever sold their old system or bought a 2nd hand system. I mean everyone just trash their old AmigaOnes and SAMs, since they're obviously worthless... as they're no longer new.

Really, you're starting to sound like a broken record here.

And you sound like a person who places the facts around what he wants to prove and skips the rest.
It was obvious that you compared the price to a second hand system to a brand new one. I made a fair comparison with the clothes from thrift shop and a designers shop. Then you continue with personal insults.

If you make such statements about 100 Euro versus 1000 Euro, please state that the 100 Euro are for second hand hardware, while the 1000 Euro are for new. It have nothing to do if AmigaOS users buy or not second hand hardware.

But you compare hardware scrap with hardware produced in the recent years that have some additional taxes attached to it like RoHS tax, money denominations, etc... I have no problems with your agenda, but the persons who don't know much like Franko will happen to believe your fallacies.