AROS vs traditional Amiga vs SAM

[drHirudo]

Now it does pain me to say those awful Teron mobos rebadged were Amigas because AI/Eyetech/Hyperion said it was.  I certainly wouldn't consider it an Amiga, but those who own the IP and their partners can and did.  So I have to call it an AmigaOne and not a OS4 box.  Who knows, in six hours you maybe able to call SAM440 an Amiga, or not.

Dammy

Dammy, let me tell you something. These boards are Amigas. My mircoAmigaOne is Amiga because it replaced completely my A4000 with the hard drive taken from it and the same software. When I had A1200 and then acquired A4000, I simply transferred the hard drive to the A4000. The same with the microAmigaOne. I didn't need any emulations, UAE integrations or other workaround like it would be with AROS. Before the A1200, I had A600 with AmigaOS 3.5 which I replaced with A1200 and later upgraded to AmigaOS 3.9. The first hard drive for the A1200 was taken from the A600, but it was small and 2.5 inch and I replaced it with bigger (40GB). I still run AmigaOS on all these machines, and even the YAM version I use is and old install back from 2001. Some of the other software still have the drawers dated from their creation back to 1999.

I am an Amiga user I can tell you that these boards are Amigas. If you are a Mac fan or Windows fan, that's okay. But your claims repeated thousands times in your posts during the past years, are really boring now. You sound like a kid who hopes that if he repeats something thousands times, it will become true, even if the others say it is not. :lol: I think you as a fan of other platforms, not connected to the Amiga at all, are not in a position to decide what is an Amiga and what is not. Most of the Amiga users already said it is an Amiga and you can check their opinions. Even some people who are new to the Amiga. I believe the Amiga users, not you. :lol:

Getting angry because the SAM is too expensive, would not make it less Amiga either. The Amiga is more expensive than the other platforms with similar specifications since the 80286 days, but the Amigas sold even then. Amigas are sold even today, and currently all the Amiga dealers are out of stock of SAM Boards, which means that you have to wait. Meaning that there is demand for Amigas, and people prefer them for various reasons despite the price. SAM is an Amiga.

[drHirudo]

Vesalia changed the ETA for SAM boards to December 2008. First it was November 21st, next it changed to November 26, and now December. The people who bought them back in September are lucky to have the boards now. The rest have to wait I wonder how many SAM boards are manufactured now? I hope more than thousand.

[drHirudo]

takemehomegrandma wrote:
Perhaps they made as many as 50 in the first batch? And now another 50?

Your troll posts are getting really boring now. I know there  are more than your wild trollish estimation, because I know more than 51 people who bought SAM. Any other wild, irrelevant, unbiased, non informative sentences you have to add to the thread, before going to MorphZone?
Believe it or not, AmigaOne hardware with AmigaOS 4.1 is more interesting to the people than ever before and the OS you are suggesting in your avatar. SAM is AmigaOne hardware btw, because it runs AmigaOS 4, and that was one of the specifics of the AmigaOne hardware. Even Dammy seems to be interested in AmigaOS now, but that is may be only infiltration to be able to trash it even more than before?

[drHirudo]

Shutdown is one of the biggest issues and I HATE it on the systems not being Amiga. I hate it on Windows and I hate it on Linux. Many times when I am in hurry to get away and have to shut down, in non Amiga computers I always have to wait till the computer is really turned off, because many times when I simply press the off button, some apps is not closed, or some process and the shutdown is not finished and the computer works for whole night, or even weekend. On the Amiga I simply turn it off. Even if my Amiga saves me only 2 minutes per day, for a year that is more than 10 hours - more than a working day, saved by the Amiga, only by the shutdown process. ;-)

[drHirudo]

FAT32, NTFS and EXTn filesystems can suffer from sudden power offs and, maybe this can be a news for some of you, Amiga filesystems too! If you turn off your Amiga during a write process, you can mess up many things. And, when you turn it on again, you'd surely prefer a proper shutdown procedure which would have avoided this.

When I use my SAM with AmigaOS 4.1, I feel the lack of a "shutdown" option in Workbench. SAM is an ACPI aware machine, powered by a standard ATX supply, so I can't understrand why I shouldn't be able to turn if off with my mouse, like I'm doing for years on PC and I ever did on Mac. This doesn't mean there should be a long boring shutdown procedure, but at least a simple one which checks if there are processes accessing to the drives and silently stop them before turning everything off, should be mandatory in year 2008.

PS: AROS just adeed one a week ago.

On my Amiga 1200 and Amiga4000 and later on my AmigaOne I have several power cuts while writing files (downloads) but I downloaded them to SFS partition and never had any loss of data with this filesystem. While shutdown is a good feature on the systems, it does not prevent a filesystem crash in a power cut - for power cuts there is UPS but one at the office is big and noisy, and I don't want such monster at home.
By your logic, if the FileSystems are expecting a proper shutdown procedure, then a simple power cut can bring them down and cause data loss. I prefer the SFS design which does not assume power shutdown and it saved me files and loss of data many times.
I remember having a power cut on a Windows machine some months ago, while doing an Excel table. While the result was not loss of the file, the data in it was messed so I didn't know what is recent and what is old entries. On the Amigas sometime I even don't care is something is downloaded. But it is good to watch your Amiga HD led, while turning it off.

[drHirudo]

ferrellsl wrote:
Oh my gosh, what a lame thread.  Would a moderator please close and lock this thread?!  Totally off track and mostly flame wars.......good grief.  With supporters like this, the Amiga is doomed.

I believe you are posting in a wrong thread, mate.

[drHirudo]

And yes one of my Amigas is a Sam and yes it is an Amiga.
If someone as bitter as me says it's an Amiga, there is no need to be listening to anything Amiga Inc may or may not say.  ;-)

Do you know by saying that one of your Amigas is a SAM, you don't comply with the opinion of one of the experts here? Please easy with these statements. You may harass some AF owner and he may seek for personal vendetta in years.