OS 4.0 on WinUAE possible?

[drHirudo]

mdma wrote:

A1200 - £0.00
3.1ROMS - £20
Phase5 BPPC 040@25 603e@200 256MB - £200
Mediator 1200 - £80
64MB Voodoo 5500 - £30
SBLive!+SPDIF - £0.00
RTL8139 - £0.00
Elbox FastATA 1200 Mk-III - £50
40GB UDMA133 HDD - £0.00
Sony 40xCD-RW - £0.00
OS 3.9 - £30
Bt878 PCI TV Card - £0.00
PC<->1200 KB Adaptor - £10
Power Tower - £30 with a free Vooodo 3 card thrown in

I see you listed some parts as costing 0.00. If they costed zero to you, that doesn't mean they really cost zero. Either you stole them, they were given for free to you (as a gift or with another purchase), or you picked them from garbage bin, but they still cost something, not zero. For example the A1200 can go for £15, £10 for the TV card, £10 for the HDD, £10 for the RTL8139, and another £10 for the SBLive and you are already near the price of brand new A1, which will be more reliable. You probably know that every new card added to the classic system, makes it more unstable.

A complete system that *works* for less than £500.
Compared to a motherboard *only* for £512.

That complete system including the cards in it is second hand, while the A1 is brand new.

Thats besides the point, my Athlon64-3200+ with 1MB CPU Cache, 128MB Radeon 9600 and 1024MB DDR400 RAM running AROS outperforms both.

Which of the native AmigaOS4 software you tryied on it, for this benchmark?

[drHirudo]

Right, so are you telling me that a 2.2GHz 64bit CPU with 1MB L1 Cache is slower than a 800MHz G3?

For native AmigaOS4 software - YES.

[drHirudo]

by mdma on 2005/4/18 20:08:21

drHirudo wrote:

Right, so are you telling me that a 2.2GHz 64bit CPU with 1MB L1 Cache is slower than a 800MHz G3?

For native AmigaOS4 software - YES.

An how exactly do you know this?

Have you used a AmigaOS4 JIT emulated on an Athlon64?

Thought not.
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It doesn't need rocked science maths to calculate that Athlon64 wouldn't emulate in more than 1/10th the speed of PPC even with JIT. (which is of core pretty much optimistic), so to emulate 800MHz µA1, you will need at least 8 GHz Athlon64, which isn't in the shops yet, and this is only for the CPU. Ok the other µA1 parts are pretty standart, so they won't take much overheat to the emulation, but they still will need a wrapper, so save your money for 10 GHz Athlon, if you want to emulate the µA1 at real speed, but I hope by the time the 0.01 THz machines will be introduced, there will be faster A1 hardware already.

[drHirudo]

Also why is all this fuss about PPC WinUAE?
 I think it will be easier to be coded WinUME (Windows Universal MorphOS Emulator). By the claims of the MorphOS advocates, MorphOS is better, have bigger software base, it's tied to a open firmware (easier to emulate), have more features, higher stability, better look, stronger user base, friendly community, better developers, OS4Emu, and everything nice.

[drHirudo]

by mdma on 2005/4/18 20:47:25

Don't you mean Pegasos emulator?

A WinUAE-PPC should be able to run any Amiga-PPC OS including MorphOS 0.4, which runs quite nicely on my classic by the way.

Anyway, why do you feel the need to start trolling about MorphOS on a thread about the possiblity of UAE getting PPC-JIT functionality? Whats wrong with you?

I read that the thread is called "OS 4.0 on WinUAE possible?" and stated an opinion that MorphOS on WinUAE (or WinUME) is more likely, because it doesn't have the A1 dongle (as they call it), and uses open firmware. What's wrong in this?

[drHirudo]

by mdma on 2005/4/18 21:13:52

IMHO The tone was intentionally aggressive, and grammatically constructed to cause a firy responses.

If you said "Wouldn't it be cool if a UAE-PPC supported OS4 and MorphOS?" or something similarly worded, you know full well it wouldn't be as controversial and wouldn't have the possibility of starting up yet another childish "my dick is bigger than your dick" argument.

Grow up. These wars are over. Neither of the sides won. Both lost and there is no real winner.