PC still playing Amiga catchup

[GadgetMaster]

Hi,

@everyone,

How many PC techs, or IT techs work for microsoft?
How many PC techs, or IT techs work for Linux?
How many PC techs, or IT techs work for Amiga?

Amiga has the least techs working for them, this means they have the most stable system that just works.

Amiga wins

PC and Linux users lose because they need professional help to keep their systems going.

Sounds Logical to me

smerf

Aren't you forgetting the ones that use PCs and Amigas? :lol:

[GadgetMaster]

That's subjective.  If you take the objective approach, PCs do in fact need catching up in some areas that make the Amiga unique in those cases.  And this topic was not to fulfill your needs but hope for an objective discussion.

Let's, just for arguments sake, accept that there are some unique features left in the architecture that have not yet been surpassed it still does not mean that the PC is still playing catchup. I meant slight differences in the way hardware is initialised ir how a joystick is polled is quite irrellevant and hardly a showstopper in the PC world.

The more significant aspects of compatibility, convenience, accessibility and usability, that the Amiga needs mad invesment for  before it even comes close to touching the current PC platform, is much more significant. I doubt such investment will ever materialise so unfortunately the Amiga cannot catchup with PC. It lost the race quite a while back and no amount of denial is ever going to change that.

>(1) Oh crap my TV boots up instantly. tell the PC using world that they need to catch up :eek:
>It makes no frigging difference in the Real World. It's how useful it is after boot up that matters to most sane people.

See, now if I make this subjective like you did, I would it makes a HUGE difference in boot-up time because I test low-level drivers which cause frequent crashes in XP.  You decrease your life span by the amount of time you wait for your system to boot.  It all adds up if you have to do it often.

So I'll die quicker by using PC's instead of using Amigas daily. Hmm.. Now  that is a killer feature. Why didn't anyone tell me about it sooner. :confused:

>Wake up and smell the coffee. The world moves on. Accept change or change the world yourself. Don't just sit there miserably lying to yourself that the world is really much more different than it is. That is self delusion and it can lead to irrational behaviour.

Nobody stated PC is inferior.  It's inferior in some aspects; that's a fact.  Even if you use it for hobbies/games, why not use a PC?  

You may be able to speak for yourself but I don't think you should be confident enough to speak for others. Some peple arguing on this thread do seem to think the modern day PC is inferior to a retro computer and that the Amiga is perfect beyond criticism and has no catching up to do with the PC at all. Try telling them that.

You didn't reply to my message.

Happy now?

[GadgetMaster]

PFFFT.

I'm glad you agree. :lol:

Can you READ?

The fact that I am responding to your post might be an indication, even to a half wit, that it is quite obvious that I can read.

What does:"3. PC =x86 hardware running Windows for anywhere between 90 and 95% of the worlds computers." mean to you?

It means you are comparing apples to oranges. A hardware platform is a hardware platform. The IBM PC and compatibles are not an OS and are capable of running the Amiga OS as well as any other OS you decide to compile for them.

The sooner you can seperate the difference between hardware and software in your mind the sooner things will suddenly start becoming clearer to you.

Go on humour me, try it. It won't use too much of your brain power up. honestly, trust me.

I see, so its now a question of grammar. Maybe we could ..blah"

Maybe we could. Maybe it would be better to put a question mark at the end instead. It's a statement and judging by the original thread starter it's exactly what he meant it to be.

If you decide to twist the statement into something else than you have to be delusional as well as approaching the whole argument in a manipulative and dishonest way as can only be acheived by those blinded by irrational zealotry.

Surely you are not one of those?

translation:"couldn't be arsed.. blah"

I think that's called projection in some circles. You are trying to project your inadequacies onto others. I almost feel pity for you.

PC hardware without software does nothing. It's pointless separating the two.

And Amiga hardware is different exactly how? You still need to grasp the difference between a hardware platform and an OS. Come back and argue when you have that one figured out.

Because it only takes ONE to show the PC is still playing catchup

Oooh! Is that so. I bet all the engineers that work on PC architecture are have sleepless night about it all around the world. I mean It's really something on all their minds isn't it. "OMG how the heck do I catch up with the Amiga. My life depends on it. We really need to catchup.dammit. Catch up.":nervous:

Do you even have an inkling how pathetic your argument sounds?

YOU might. The user examples I gave don't, some people who need to quickly sample a music riff in the middle of the night.. blah

So you admit that the Amiga is a nice hobby home computer? Glad to see some sense creep into your arguments. Just don't wander off into those delusional pastures again. You know the ones wher you think it is a serious contender to the established platforms in every conceivable computing avenue.

And I bet you can't do gene sequencing/process nuclear physics data/analyse climate models as fast as Big Blue with your XP network either.  Whats your point?

Oh I can you know. Ever heard of cloud computing running (PC architecture based) blade servers? Who said anything about an XP network?

Distributed computing is the future. I've seen it.

Besides the Amiga can't do that either so your point is moot.

1. Never had to write 10,000 words

Good for you. So you accept you have limited experience of the business world.

2. Even a cardigan-wearing gronk would know to SAVE his file before he switches off his computer..blah

So you are now calling all Amiga users cardigan-wearing gronks? That wasn't nice of you at all. :rolleyes:

What is interesting is that you admit data loss is almost always down to user error and gronks or not, Amiga users are no different to PC users in that regard so being able to shut your Amiga down from a switch is hardly a useful feature that the P world are screaming out to catch up with.  

Never said anything about not having shutdown safely being anything to YOUR f'en servers. ...blah

Again it depends on what OS you are running. that's no shortcoming of the PC hardware architecture.  If Icaros etc. is running on it you can do the same thing.

See it still boils down to your mis-comprehensions about the difference between hardware and software. Try researching the concepts a little. It might suddenly dawn upon you, but you won't catch me holding my breath over it.

You're work in a server-client environment.  Many people at home don't, many people shut down their PC's daily, to them it matters..Its a feature that many PC user would be glad to have..

Again, I'm really glad you are beginning to see where the Amiga really fits in. A nice comfy fun home computer. It's when you start to have megalomaniacal fantacies for it of conquering the whole computing world is when I start worrying about your health.

I'm sure i couldn't give a toss about serving DHTML on an A1200

Sure! That's what we've been trying to tell you all along. You can give your pernicious tosses to more relevant things like viewing Pr0n on Ibrowse on your unexpanded A1200. Go knock yourself out. Just don't start thinking your A1200 currently has many practical uses outside of that home retro computing sphere.

If you disagree then if you convince even one blue chip company to abandon all it's PCs in favour of Amigas and I will gladly eat my hat, live on webcam if you prefer. :hat:

VERY good luck to them: it cost them a few hundred dollars and no tech support costs.  An equivalent PC set up would cost many $1000's for the dentist, and tens of thousands for the aged-care facility to achieve the same.

Niche installations in small local businesses , so yes good luck to them. Just don't tell me that is what the PC has to catch up with. If you do I'll just laugh publicly. :lol:

Really?  you can run a public touch screen /multi screen display from your phone?  Which phone?  which software? which screens?

Oh dear oh dear! You really need to catch up on mobile phone technology as well. It gets better and better. :laughing:

Try engadget.com for a look at what amazing technologies exist outside of your closed sphere. You might be qite surprised you know.

The Amiga needs billions of dollars of investment to be a serious contender and catch up with to the established platforms.

And this is relevant because......?

because the Amig platform just doesn't have these resources so it can't catch up. Clearer now?

i highlighted linux's hardware recognition/configuration issues which simply don't exist to anywhere near the same degree with classic Amiga. That's all thats is needed in the context..

Is it? What context is your discussion? You don't really make yourself clear at all. One minute you claim the Amiga is a super, untouchable, all singing, all dancing super computer that the world needs to catch up with and when challenged you restrict its capabilities to nice home computing or Small business niche. Do you even comprehend the concept of contextualisation?

provided you installed from original operating system disks then you had defective ie broken hardware.

I don't even kno what you are talking about here so I can't comment. You don't make much sense tbh.
 

I think you boarded the plane a long time ago..
 
good for you.

On second thougt I don't really want to go and wallow on your clouds of denial. I'm qute happy in the real world.

It matters to Microsoft who are highlighting Win 7's improved boot and shut down times, ..blah

Software : Hardware :rtfm:

So your argument is:  yeah Amiga's boot faster, but i run from a server, I never shut down, i can do more than an Amiga so i don't care.  Good for you.  

Yeah good for me. Thank you for understanding.

But none of that makes  your PC boot any faster.  And admit it you'd really like a PC that boots in 5 seconds and shuts down instantly, wouldn't you?  And admit it your pC can't do this.

but.. but. I thought we already established I don't care and you already said it was good for me. why would I all of a sudden really like that? Don't contradict yourself man. You are providing too much entertainment. I don't think the crowds are going to be able to keep their internal organs confined to their torso due to their sides splitting so heavily. Have some Mercy ! :rofl:

Anyway, my PC can do this if I want it to. You are trying to creep the OS argument in here again. Already covered umpteen times. Move along now. nothing to see here.

CRAZY but thats REALITY:  I can get on the net, open all sorts of malicous email.. blah.

The PC can. Live with it.

On my A1200, i get far less wait-cursers, ..blah

That won't help me in my day to day work at all I'm sorry you can't sway me to use a hobby home computer in a professional environment for my daily work. Cursors or no cursors, I get my work done without any hassle because the machines are capable of performing the tasks at hand and an Amiga can't. Live with because none of your blathering on is going to make the slightest bit of difference. My Amiga is sitting nicely at home where it belongs as a nice retro hobby machine.

Agreed.  And sometimes my Amiga is still the better tool for some jobs that I-and others- want to do.

Good for you. I'm afraid the rest of the world is still not convinced. Maybe you are not evangelising it enough. Hmm.. Yeah.. Maybe thats it. You are really letting your side down you know.

Well NOW your plane to LaLaLand has landed on the tarmac.

I didn't see a friendly welcoming party so I jetted off back to the real world. Pity really, I would have had a great laugh at your expense. I'm sure. :lol:

[GadgetMaster]

Perhaps his joystick is built by the folks that made these

Be careful what you search for on the net these days. :nervous:


[EDIT]

I just realised this is my 2000th post no wonder I gained a rep power point.

[GadgetMaster]

No. ONLY YOU.  And an anal one at that.

ONLY an anal cardigan wearing gronk would:

1.  Embark on a grammatical argument about whether the original post is a question or a statement, as if THAT would make one iota of a difference to what replies are posted.

2. Be incapable of understanding that a statement such as "PC=x86 running on 90-95% of the worlds computers run Windows", would also mean most of the world doesn't use an Amiga computer.

3. Want limit the meaning of "PC" to a discussion about x86 hardware, without admitting that without software, hardware is useless.

4. Want to ignore that 95% of PC hardware runs Windows, and ignore the user-experience of THOSE machines but instead focus his argument solely on the few per cent that don't run Windows.

Only a deluded, anal cardigan-wearing gronk would:

5.  Even contemplate the notion that a PC could run AmigaOS natively because not only is there no PC that can run AmigaOS natively, it has virtually zero probability of eventuating in this universe, or at any time in this universe's existence.

Only a stupid, deluded, anal, cardigan wearing gronk would:

6.  Ask the reasons as to why it is believed that "PC is still playing Amiga catch-up", and then dismiss those reasons because they don't matter to HIM and HIS computer needs, no matter that, for many people, its because of the unique qualities of the Amiga over a PC that they still use Amiga.

7.  Ask the reasons as to why it is believed that "PC is still playing Amiga catch-up". and then re-state the reply into a statement of belief that not only will Amiga be popular again, that it will be more popular than the PC and even put a dollar value on how much that would cost.

8.  Ask the reasons as to why it is believed that "PC is still playing Amiga catch-up" and then re-state the reply into a statement that, not only can Amiga do EVERYTHING that a modern PC can currently do, but that the Amiga can do it ALL better than the PC.

9. Use emerging technologies (CLOUD COMPUTING FFS), which may or may not gain wider acceptance , as an argument against the capabilities of Amiga compared to PC.

Ooh! I think I touched a raw nerve there. :lol:

You just can't step back and see how ridiculous your whole argument looks can you? Every one of your arguments has been ripped to shreds yet you persevere like an obsessed and possessed fool.

Btw, you also keep repeating the word anal a lot, is there something you want to tell us? Don't be shy. :rofl:

I seriously thought you were just trying to wind us up and by trolling like some others on this thread but by your reaction I can see that this is really quite important to you and you take it quite personally. I think that this puts you right up there in the category of the Bus-Arch Troll and Mil-spec guy if you are not just a sockpuppet of one of them already.

You seriously are quite deluded if you think that the PC needs to catch up to the Amiga nowadays, but I think you are happy in your own little comfort zone of belief so I'll not challenge your faith if it upsets you. Quite pitiful really.

Enjoy yourself in your own little world whilst the rest of us live in the real one.

Peace

Gadget.

[GadgetMaster]

@GadgetMaster
You really live in alternate reality don't you?  Ignorance is bliss, so they say, and your life must be perfectly blissful.  You make such lengthy posts, and yet have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO SAY. However there is no point having a discussion with retarded clam, so I'll spare you the intellectual challenge of stringing two coherent words together and leave you blissfully ignorant.

Bless you !

[GadgetMaster]

It seems like all the arguments are falling down. Why not just call it a day Amigaksi eh?

Come on! You've dragged this thread on for far too long. It stopped being funny a long time ago. :rolleyes:

[GadgetMaster]

So far no one has shown how to surpass Amiga joystick port in speed using Game port nor via USB joysticks available.

So far no one has shown why API-based systems are superior to hardware level compatibility.  

So far no one has shown that simple example of palette index swap is faster using APIs.

So I don't know what you are reading.  Perhaps you need glasses.

Seriously nobody in the PC architecture world is trying to catch up with the Amiga. They just couldn't give a damn about a retro platform that only a few people use. Seriously they are not losing sleep over abandoning joystick ports.

Find and quote for us just one PC engineer that is actively working on a mission to play Amiga catchup and I will say that you have ground for your arguments.

Oops! That just negates this whole thread. Sorry!

Can someone Start serving those pankakes. There's a hungry crowd out here. :lol:

[GadgetMaster]

And so this saga ends.

I think I agree with you here. The thread does seem to have run out of steam at this point.

Oh well. You could always start another controversial topic that will keep us entartained for pages and pages. or not.  :lol:

It'll sure keep the site lively.

[GadgetMaster]

amigaksi,

You're having a John Rambo moment: "The war is over, John. Let those people go in peace."

:roflmao:

[GadgetMaster]

As this thread just refuses to die I thought "What the heck! let me just throw some more fuel on this fire".

Anyway does any Bus Arch 'expert' want to explain how these darn things work?

USB to Gameport Converter

I'm just a little confuzzled about all the polling malarky.

:roflmao:

[GadgetMaster]

Is it about time to close this thread as pointless bickering over a subject which is clearly not true?

Seeing as the thread starter himself mentioned that it's time to quit the argument I would think locking it would be a good thing.

I think it's already gone beyond the "lively debate" stage and is now just going all over the place. :crazy: