Amiga Inc lost the trademark to "Amiga" on January 3rd, 2003

[ghauber]

@bbrv

I must confess, I am rather appalled at your bad-faith "joke" registration of the Amiga trademark, and the glee with which you constantly make fun of Amiga Inc.  Here's a fact for you: Amiga Inc is *not* dead, and yes, you may not agree with everything they do, but the right thing to do in this circumstance would be to graciously let Bill McEwen sort this issue out with regards to their *own* trademark.

@Wayne

You justify this with the statement that the mark is "officially abandoned" like that justifies it.  Have you thought that something like this can be an easy oversight for a company?  You are blinded by your hatred of Amiga Inc and your desire to see them fail.  Why can't you just let this kind of stuff rest?

@everyone

Well, this is aimed at those mostly who take glee in wanting to see Amiga Inc brought down - there are a lot of people (like myself, for instance) who have invested a *lot* in terms of time, effort (and for some, money) in developing for the Amiga DE, and your attacks on Amiga Inc are therefore also attacks on us.  Please, just get a life and let this be. If you're not interested in the Amiga DE, that's fine, go buy a Pegasos/Morphos machine.  Why you have to be so personal about all this is totally beyond me.

Regards,

Gabriel

[ghauber]

BZZT wrong answer

Is it?  Wayne clearly by his repeated statements against Amiga Inc shows he hates Amiga Inc.  He is blinded, because he thinks it would be a *good* thing to obtain the trademark for himself, or see bbrv obtain it.  I didn't say he had a blind hatred of Amiga - he has his reasons and has made his decision.  His follow-on actions here are what I question.

I could as easily say you are blinded by your hero worship of Bill McEwen. That would be an untrue statement now wouldn't it?

Well, what does the evidence of my (few) postings say?

The Amiga market has been unhealthy for too long, people exposed to it see reality a little off center. Trust me, I was there too.

You are assuming I am in the same place now as you once were.  You don't know me, so you have no idea if I am seeing reality "off center" or not.

[ghauber]

...While I dont take direct 'glee' in watching Amiga.inc fail I do think that if they do it can only mean good things for the communuty...

You know, that has *never* made any sense to me.  Why is the "community" so negatively influenced by Amiga Inc that the company failing would be a "good thing for the community".  I mean, really.  Aren't you in control of your own destiny?  If you choose to support a different platform, do so.  Find others who support that platform, and move your "community" there and just forget about Amiga Inc, if you don't wish to be associated with Amiga Inc.

I pity you guys for following them...

Oh, gee, thanks for your generosity here.

I just dont like them and what they've done to amiga...

And that's a fair enough opinion for you to have.  Doesn't justify belittling those who do not agree with your opinion, however, and (I know this may not apply to you directly) it does not justify this "take Amiga Inc down!" attitude evident by so many on this forum.

[ghauber]

Y'all just suck!  

Yay!! Finally, some balance!  :-D

[ghauber]

cheap dodge... they control amiga IP...and this is the amiga(and now clones) community...

They control Amiga OS and the Amiga DE.  They do not control MorphOS (currently Amiga OS 3.x compatible), they do not control AROS.  Unless there is an IP issue that could tie the noose around MorphOS's neck, then there shouldn't be a problem, unless I'm missing something. The community is not "beholden" to Amiga Inc.  Only those who wish to follow the "real" (according to some definition of "real") AmigaOS rely on Amiga Inc.  There *are* alternatives.  Or are things really so insecure that MorphOS needs official validation by Amiga Inc?

telling people 'agree with amiga.inc or leave the amiga community' is a pathetic outlook...

That's *not* what I said.  Let me say it again - if Amiga Inc does not go in the direction that the "community" wants it to go, then the "community" is perfectly capable (well, maybe not, seems like there is some sort of weird name-dependency cult going on) of moving in another direction - again, I call as witness the existence of MorphOS and AROS.

well I think it does...some feel jaded... some are angry about things they've had done to them and seen done to others... this isnt a fanclub of people devoted to amiga.inc...if people feel their hurting the community and doing wrong...they are free to let them know about it...

Yeah, some feel jaded and all that.  They are genuine feelings that people are allowed to have.  But how on earth does that justify belittling others (like myself) who have different experiences/different opinions?  I'm not saying noone's been wronged, noone's been hurt, I just don't think that justifies certain actions - there are much more mature ways of dealing with things.

[ghauber]

I haven't tried at all to harm Amiga Inc in my statements or actions. All I have done is verify the truth which is out there.

No, that's not *all* you did.  I appreciate your clear separation in this posting regarding fact and your opinion, but you made it quite clear that if bbrv had not gone ahead (as a "joke") to try and register the Amiga trademark, you yourself would have done so, you'd love to get your hands on it, you said.  Considering that Amiga Inc is not actually dead (you might say "well, not *yet*"), why would you do so, knowing that it might very well make certain things more difficult for them?

[ghauber]

No offense, but that is spoken like a true "newbie"

Actually, spoken by someone who has a different opinion than you do.  Shock! Horror!

That's not a slam against anyone here, but the remaining community is simply NOTHING like it used to be.

Of course it's not.  It's been in decline for a whole *decade*.

As someone who has seen things from a community perspective before the end of Commodore, I can tell you 100% straight up that the sorry state of things today rests totally on the shoulders of Bill McEwen, "Fleecy" Moss, and Amiga Inc.

You gotta be kidding, right?  Hey, do you remember how good it was back in Egypt, before that fellow Moses (who does he think he is, anyway?) led us out here in the desert to die?  (Note, I am *not* saying that Amiga Inc is like Moses, necessarily leading the people to the "promised land" - this was a comment on the fact that it is so easy to forget the bad things of the past because the immediateness of the "bad" things in the present make them so much bigger in our minds.)

Yeah, Amiga Inc is probably responsible for some of the decline in the last few years, but to blame it all on them is just stupid.  There have been all sorts of stupid battles (powerup vs warpup), failed/unkept promises (anyone remember the Phase 5 A/box?), companies changing directions too many times to count (Amiga when owned Gateway), others going bankrupt (Escom), software publishing houses abandoning a still profitable Amiga market for the much more profitable PC clone market, and so on.

[ghauber]

see by saying that your implying 'like it or leave it'

*sigh* I give up.

aside from the name Amiga I dont see how DE has anything to do with this community at all...

because it was given "birth" by people in the Amiga community.  No, it's not Amiga OS (even though it might become an integral part of it down the track), but (and here I'm speaking as one who has a reasonable idea of where AmigaDE is heading, since I am on the "inside", so to speak) it is definitely being influenced in its development by various things that are unique to the Amiga (sorry, can't go into details).  But you're right, a lot of people in the Amiga community don't care about the DE, their interests lie elsewhere, and that's ok.  And Amiga Inc have recognised that, and have a definite plan for ongoing development of the AmigaOS to satisfy that need.  And, if the direction AmigaOS is heading doesn't satisfy, then maybe throwing weight behind something like AROS would be a productive thing to do (which you may very well be doing).  Personally, I am happy with the direction Amiga Inc is taking (although I wish there hadn't been so many bumps along the way) and so I focus on that area, but I also would *love* to see AROS succeed, too.  I can only spread myself so thin, though... :-(

if belitting amiga.inc is belitting you then complain to them

Your "I pity those..." quote was not directed at Amiga Inc, but at people (like me) who have poured time and effort into developing for the DE.  Maybe I misunderstood you, that maybe you didn't mean it in the sense I took it (hence my reference to you "belittling"), but rather you feel compassion for those who will, if Amiga were to go under and the AmigaDE with it, would have wasted so much time and effort in support of the DE?  If you were genuinely meaning the latter, then I apologise for jumping to an unwarranted conclusion about your attitude.

they made their bed and if you feel you belong in it...

I have, by my actions/committment, aligned myself with the direction and vision that Amiga Inc has for the DE,  yes.

then maybe you can explain all the nonsense going on with them???....

May sound like I am weasling out, but, honestly, that is not my place to comment on such matters.  That is for Bill McEwen, Fleecy, et al to make clear what is going on, should they so choose. I know that's not a satisfying answer, but in reality, all it means is that we do what we've gotta do given the circumstances we find ourselves in, whether that means we need to look for/directly support alternatives (like AROS) or wait around and see if things turn around with Amiga and we see a strong future for the "real" AmigaOS.