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Who owns Amiga Intellectual Property
« on: November 24, 2003, 04:41:21 AM »
Made you look!   ;-)

So what's the real story?  Who owns the remnants of Amiga (which are the remnants of Escom, which are the remnants of Commodore)?

Edited by Argo: Changed the topic.
 

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If someone wanted to build an Amiga computer under licence, who would he go to?
 

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whoever has the licence


So then it's not clear who owns the IP, such as AGA, the real Amiga OS (3.x), Workbench, etc.?

How are new machines coming to market then? :-o
 

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Well, the new Amiga branded PPC boards have nothing in common (sp) with the old 68k hardware.


So no backward compatibility with any old Amiga applications?  No common hardware?  A totally new OS?

Isn't this the equivalent of "Amiga" selling a rebranded e-Machines Wintel Box with XP and UAE and calling it an "Amiga"?

What do you Amiga folk think of this?  What keeps you with Amiga if they're making completely incompatible hardware and software?  What makes an Amiga an Amiga?
 

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So why not just buy a Linux system with UAE?  If the OS, architecture and everything else is different, what's the point?

I guess I am just confused.   :-D
 

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Did you ask something similar when the Mac moved from 680x0 to PowerPC? Probably not.


No, because the transition was seamless.  All the classic Mac 68K apps worked perfectly on the Mac OS for PowerPC.  I think that's a little different than a completely new platform that keeps the brand and has an emulator for legacy apps.

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many prefer x86


x86 is a dead end.  PowerPC (and AMD64) are the chips of the future.

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Still talking about the architectural issues, the custom chips, once the platforms strengths are now extremely dated compared to off the shelf hardware. Most serious users have gotten gfx cards, sound cards, PCI expansion busses etc. and so even for many existing 680x0 users, the 'architecture' is not as it once was. The migration to A1 won't be that big a deal/


As long as the OS, look and feel, etc. are preserved as well as a degree of compatibility with the prior Amigas, I'd say it's an Amiga.

Would someone with an A1200 be able to easily migrate to the new Amigas?

Who is manufacturing them?

What is the commercial channel for them (distribution-wise)?

I'm not trying to be obtuse here, I am just trying to figure out how one would go about evaluating and buying one of these mythical beasties.  

Right now, my understanding is that it's not much more than a motherboard you have to fit into your own case.  I think to be successful, it needs to be more than that -- it needs to be an integrated solution with out-of-the-box setup and a strong degree of backward compatibility.

I think there could be success selling Amigas as user-level machines that lack the "Microsoft tax" -- a Macintosh for less, if you will.   :-)

As for my beloved ST, she is dead, dead, dead as a separate platform I am afraid.  :cry:

However, the best ST apps like Calamus and Notator live on as Mac OS X apps -- in fact, Calamus runs in a MultiTOS emulation environment on PCs and Macs.  That's good for me, though there's a lot about the ST I miss on "modern" systems. :-(
 

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Re: Who owns Amiga Intellectual Property
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2003, 04:27:38 AM »
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mac 68k to ppc transition almost (IF NOT) killed APPLE , mostly because their 68k stuff didnt work on ppc macs.


Wow, that couldn't be more wrong!  The Mac OS 7.5.3 and 7.5.5 that worked on the first Power Macs WAS mostly 68K code.  Apple Power Macs out of the box could run 68K and PPC code via Apple's emulator.  The first 601-based PowerMacs ran 68K MacOS applications faster than top of the line Quadras.

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you need to do some research before u say stuff like that...


I owned one of the first PowerMacs, so I think that qualifies.  :-D

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anyway later on they made several ways of getting more and more 68k stuff to work on ppc


Actually, that's inaccurate as well.  They worked hard to get RID of 68K code on the legacy Mac OS.  OS 7.6 was the first classic OS to have more PPC code than 68K code, and it wasn't until 8.0 that 68K was completely expunged.

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its taken them long and infact its not perfect now even..


Actually, it's old hat now.  If you want to run a 68K app on a present PowerBook or Power Mac, you need to run it within the Classic OS environment under Mac OS X.

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the last post was aimed at STUser and so is this one,  since you know so much about mac and how the transition in 95-97 went on...


I got a Macintosh when the Atari scene started slowing down in the mid 1990s.

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please tell me how they ran 68k stuff on the ppc


Native seamless software emulation within the "Classic" (9.x and under) Mac OS.  For a while, whilst 68K Macs were still popular, developers shipped "fat binaries" that included 68K and PPC code in one package.  That's long since unnecessary, since 68K hasn't been supported since, I believe, 8.0.

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oh and how do they do it now?


Software emulation built into the Classic OS (frozen at 9.2.x).  When you boot an old legacy Mac application under OS X, it starts an instance of "Classic" (which is basically a sand box within which an entire instance of Mac OS 9.2 runs).  Then your 68K app runs under the 9.2 OS running within the Classic environment under OS X.  Confused yet?   ;-)

I think the 68K emulation also can be called from within OS X, but am not sure.  There are 68K emulators that work under OS X, like NoSTalgia (ST emulator) and, of course, UAE.
 

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If someone would get licensed for selling Mac hardware to us stupid AmigaOS users who don't know how to buy hardware, it'd be "a Macintosh for more". Just like it's "a Teron for more" right now.


Hmmm. . . would the PegasOS or Amiga OS 4 run on UAE running on a Macintosh?

I'd love to play with the new "Amiga" OS (much like I play with the new "Atari" OS, MagicMac) but I cannot imagine forking over for another system with components that I already mostly have in my old Titanium G4 PowerBook.

Besides, I am saving up for one of those new 12" ones.   ;-)