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Re: Newtek Video Toaster 4000 (PAL version)
« on: June 29, 2006, 10:49:04 PM »
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PatriCCk wrote:
Hello,

I noticed that all VideoToaster boards on biddingsites uses NTSC videosignals. Is there a PAL version available?
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The toaster was originally designed by Newtek to make both a NTSC and a PAL version.   Motorola who made the video chip used on the toaster, never made the PAL version of it, which is why the Toaster is an NTSC only device.   Newteks current VT product is both NTSC and PAL, and there are dual mode versions of Tricaster available as well.  The cool thing about the toaster products and the upcoming speededit, is that they will transcode for you from NTSC to PAL for you on the fly.
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Re: Newtek Video Toaster 4000 (PAL version)
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2006, 04:11:08 AM »
It works well actually.  It basically turns PAL to NTSC going into the Toaster and NTSC to PAL going out of the Toaster.
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Re: Newtek Video Toaster 4000 (PAL version)
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2006, 03:30:28 PM »
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Matt_H wrote:
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You've seen it in action? That's neat.

Too bad it never caught on. A bigger productivity market in Europe would've been helpful.


There is very little having to do with the toaster I havent seen, they demoed it for the Toaster developers symposium right after the Flyer came out.
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Re: Newtek Video Toaster 4000 (PAL version)
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2006, 05:56:39 PM »
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Framiga wrote:
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do you know that a PAL version wouldn't be an chip only matter?


Not sure why you think that.  Since Tim (Jenison) told me that story (he's the founder of Newtek) I'm guessing its a fairly accurate story.  PAL actually has less processing per second then NTSC, though the effects, etc would have had to be redone to be PAL format, as I guy who has worked on most of the effects generators for the Amiga video toaster, who wrote the conversion programs for the old effects and whose about to debut the new VT effects generator, I'm guessing I am familiar enough with the Toaster to know what it would and wouldnt take.  The reason there wasnt a PAL version is there wasnt a PAL chip from Moto.
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Re: Newtek Video Toaster 4000 (PAL version)
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2006, 04:28:13 PM »
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sorry Tigger but i think you should take a look at the differences between NTSC encoding and PAL (without speaking of the 100 more lines for PAL) and not only at the mere 5 FPS differences.

Framiga, I am hugely familiar with the difference in encoding the two.  Newtek's current VT product changes between the two with the click of a button.  I used to deliver tape, and now deliver DVD in PAL all the time.  I'm not sure what you are trying to imply with you lines comment, because

100 lines * 25 frames <  5 frames x 525 lines

which is my point.  

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Software/effects wise, was another problem as well

Which I pointed, but dual use software even then was known, the CG programs used to work in both PAL/NTSC, etc.  Lightwave was always PAL/NTSC and

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If any Toaster PAL version would have been ever produced, it would be a different board and not only a chip replacement.

First of all the toaster is mostly gate arrays, the joke was everytime a major update was done we got a whole new Toaster, that was pretty much true.  The designer of the system and owner of the company, whose company makes NTSC and PAL products now, his products have won academy and emmy awards for technical merit, and my 20 years as a professional engineer say one thing, and you say another, and we should take your opinion?  Please explain your professional qualifications which would lead me to this belief?
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Re: Newtek Video Toaster 4000 (PAL version)
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2006, 10:02:18 PM »
Like to point out that in English not much of your last post made sense.
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Re: Newtek Video Toaster 4000 (PAL version)
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2006, 10:56:08 PM »
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Framiga wrote:
eh, eh Tigger! have you ended the aguments? ;-)


No, I just dont have any idea what your last post is trying to say?

The Video Toaster was designed to be sold as both a PAL and an NTSC device.  Motorola decided to not make the PAL version of the video chip, and thus the Video Toaster was only available as a NTSC device.  I find it interesting that you dont believe the Toaster could have been a both PAL and NTSC with just a change in a part, when this site is dedicated to a computer system that ran as either PAL or NTSC, in some models with the change of a part or so, and some cases no parts changes being necessary.   Do you believe the Amiga didnt exist?
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