The AmigaOne is NOT "just a Teron board"!

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YttriumOx wrote:
I'm getting sick of this, so I've decided to vent my frustrations and I apologize to anyone in advance if this starts a flame war (as it's quite likely to do I'm afraid). :griping:

One of the main arguments I see from people against the AmigaOne is that it's just a rebadged Teron CX or Teron PX.  This is quite simply not true.

The AmigaOne is based on the Teron design, but has several enhancements and modifications that are NOT part of the original Teron specification (although the Teron may have been enhanced to meet these same specs since then, I don't know... but if anything, that makes the Teron a clone of the AmigaOne!)

I'm sorry, you are at very least misinformed, but more likely since you started this thread, you are trying to misinform the Amiga Community.  The Amiga One board is a Teron board, its the same Teron board shown at Linuxworld, the same board that is available for much cheaper from multiple vendors.     What is eyetech doing???   They are distributing it, possibly with a new boot rom bios, and when/if AOS 4.0 runs on the board, they will send that to you as well.  In the x86/PPC threads, a comment was made that they chose PPC boards because they couldnt support all the bios motherboard combos of x86.  They dont want you to realize they could have just as easily picked a much more powerful (and cheaper) x86 motherboard chose to just support it, and had a larger group buy in to the "Amiga One".   Right now, I can tell you my P4 running UAE outperforms what you will see from the fastest of the Amiga Ones, and my motherboard and processor cost substantially less then $800, in fact the whole computer cost less then that.
    -Tig  

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samface wrote:

I'm sorry, you are at very least misinformed, but more likely since you started this thread, you are trying to misinform the Amiga Community.

By that sentence, you accuse Eyetech of beeing liars as well. In case you missed it, this information is the official information available from Eyetech's website.

But then, of course we should believe in your words as you are more trustworty than the manufacturers themselves? Get real.

Alright Samface lets make this real clear.  
To the best of my knowledge no where on Eyetech site do they say that the new A1 board is not made by Teron.   Eyetech is a distributer for Teron, period.  

Dont believe me, read this if you prefer:

http://www.mai.com/news&events/PressRelease070902_2.html

Gee now thats info from the manufacturer, the same info from Linuxworld, the same info I said, I'll take your apology when you are man enough to give it.
    -Tig
 

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samface wrote:

Also, perhaps I should inform you that there is no company called Teron at all, their name is MAI logics.

The announcement regarding Eyetech as a distributor of their boards is only just that. It has nothing to do with the Teron based but modified AmigaOne design at all.

Lets post the quote about Eyetech distributing.

Mai Logic Incorporated, a technology design house of integrated circuits/systems, today announced an agreement with Eyetech Group Ltd. to distribute the Teron CX and PX development systems in Europe, and to distribute production systems based on the Teron CX and PX designs to the Amiga market worldwide. Terms of the agreement emphasized both companies' long-term commitment to foster an unshakeable partnership and to create a bright future for the Amiga customers and partners.

Which part of this has confused you into believing that Eyetech is doing is anything more then changing boot proms???   Its interesting that everyone points to the $3900 price point as the "reason" this isnt one of the Teron boards, but of course since $500 systems were offered at LinuxWorld, its hard to use that in a real world conversation.    Eyetech implies in the post that Mai isnt doing volume product of a PPC board, everyone here knows that IS NOT TRUE.  Why exactly do YOU believe that Eyetech is only misinforming us of 1 piece of the puzzle, they are lying about Mai selling boards (in fact they are selling Mai boards) but they designed there own PPC board for Amiga.   Yeah right, it just has the exact same layout down to the resistor names, I believe that.   Eyetech had a bunch of monkeys (or maybe Sheep if Fleecy was helping them) and they eventually got an identical design to the board that Mai is selling.   So now Eyetech is selling Mai boards they are distributers for and identical boards they developed that are called "Amiga Ones".   Hey since you believe that, I have land in Florida and a bridge in Brooklyn I think you might be interested in, you are just the right kind of guy for both.    Barnum said one was born every minute, did you have to take a whole hours worth???
   -Tig

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Glaucus wrote:

I must ask how you are so confident about the above quote.  Just because a MB has the same chipset and feature set does not mean it's the same MB.  Unless you've had all the MBs side by side and performed exhaustive tests to compare their performance and reliability then you really can't say what you are saying above.

You dont have to compare them with exhaustive testing when they are the same board/artwork.   The press release from Teron is pretty cut and dry.   The board shown at Linuxworld is the same shown as an "Amiga One" at WOASE, they may have different BIOS/Bootprom (Fleecy says it does, but I trust fleecy less then the distance I can throw his punk ass around), but Eyetech didnt design or manufacture the board.      Buy them, change proms (maybe) sell them, thats what they do.  
     -Tig

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samface wrote:

Which part has confused you into thinking differently? The part where it says that they will distribute boards *based* on the Teron CX/PX design?

Hint: When something is "based" on another, it's actually indicating that it's not entirely the same.

Double Hint, it doesnt say that it says:

"...distribute production systems based on the Teron CX and PX designs to the Amiga market worldwide."

triple hint, it says production systems not boards.  
       -Tig
 

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samface wrote:

it says production systems not boards.

..and the difference is? Meaning?

Do you really not know???    A system includes a whole lot more then a motherboard, or are you just argueing to argue???     Samface the two boards are the same, they may have different BIOS/PROMS, but the board that Eyetech has on there website, the board at WOASE, and the one shown at LinuxWorld  are the same PCB, same part load (sans processor) etc.    Do you honestly believe that by amazing coincidence, R565 is next to pin 1 of the processor on both boards???   That seems a pretty big coincidence, what do you think.    Eyetech is distributing (you do know what that means right) products for Mai, that by definition means they dont MAKE those products they buy them and then sell them to end users and resellers.   Eyetech and Amiga are talking around the board being different (ie though its only a different BIOS) because they dont want people to buy much cheaper MAI systems and convert them into Amiga One's.
         -Tig

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Graak wrote:
Even if the AmigaOneSE/XE boards are identical to the Teron CX/PX boards, does it really matter? I mean, what difference does it make?

Why does it matter??
1) This thread was started by someone saying they werent the same board, to everyone who knows they are, thats a pretty silly statement, those who believe in the divinity of Eyetech continue to argue the point that they are different.   Apparently if you are an Eyetech employee, touch a board and say in a load commanding voice "You are an Amiga" it becomes so, otherwise you are just an unclean Linux board.
2) It points out the lies told to the Amiga Community by Eyetech in relation to the cost of these boards.  Since they arent designing them or building them, it is silly that they are much more expensive with the Eyetech Rom then without the Eyetech rom.   At LinuxWorld is became quite apparent that Eyetech is making a pretty good premium from each board.  
3) Makes it quite apparent that the OS is becoming dongalized (ala XP, though worse) when only "Eyetech" Teron boards will run the OS.  I am very curious how we are going to see 4.0 on the Phase5 boards as I am sure the folks behind the Teron rom dongle arent going to just let you install 4.0 on your PPC amiga without some hoop to jump through.  
     -Tig

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Glaucus wrote:

Okay, you tell me how much a competing motherboard + equivalent CPU goes for!  According to your claim that eyetech inflates their price tag by 900% I should be able to find a TeronCX + CPU for about $50 or less.  Somehow I get the hint that your entire post is nothing but malakie-es!  Ask AmiGR what that means!

Mike,

I believe he is talking about other products that Eyetech is selling on their website.   The Teron board is available for under $300, and at least one dealer has a $500 PPC Linux starter system which includes case, etc.    My guess is we are paying for their failed first effort at designing their own board.
     -Tig