Russia to build a mine on the moon

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Hyperspeed wrote:
Space flight maybe be simpler than flight on Earth but that lunar module still had to contend with lunar gravity, landing and launching trajectories and docking, varying landing and launching weights and filming for the camera left on the moon. I don't understand how they managed such a feat 30yrs ago on the processing power of a calculator.

Please tell me you are kidding with your hints that the moon launch didnt happen, or that 12 americans didnt walk on its surface, or are you really that delusional??

As for these new Fusion reactors, the first of which is to be built in France soon, has anyone stopped to consider that when Fission was first invented the first use killed 300,000 people? That may have been a mis-use but what happens with Fusion if you get a Chernobyl?

Also you need to read alot about the history of fission if you really believe the above.
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Hyperspeed wrote:
Back in 1950s America (when everyone sat around with their pipe, slippers and knitted tanktop) a radio show was broadcast. It was a dramatisation of War of the Worlds by H.G.Wells and it was so realistic that half the radio listening population thought that real aliens from the planet Mars were invading.

I notice you and history have a big schism in reality, the infamous War of the Worlds broadcast by Orson Welles occured in 1938 not in the 1950s.

Back in 1970s America (when everyone sat around with their bongs, platforms and flower-power t-shirts) a TV program was broadcast. It claimed that Earth Men from the nation of 'America' had defeated the evil communists and driven a dune buggy on the moon whilst posing for photographs, falling arseways over moon dust, bouncing around and then blasting back off in their magical spaceship.

Sorry in 1969, I wasnt sitting around with a bong or a flower power shirt, instead I watched Neil Armstrong walk on the moon.  Just to satisfy my curiosity when does your little mind think the hoax started, was Apollo 7 a hoax when they did the first live tv broadcast from a manned spacecraft.  Or did they start it with Apollo 8 when they broadcast live while orbitting the moon, Or Apollo 9 when they first tested the lunar module, or was Apollo 10 when we first received color TV signals from space, all of which is pretty hard to fake out not only the US, but of course the russians who would have loved to say, the US isnt really orbiting the moon.   Or is it just Apollo 11 you think was the hoax when they first landed on the moon??   Apollo 12 a fake too, though they recovered parts of Surveyer 3??  Apollo 13 a hoax even though they never claimed to land on the moon??   Why fake not landing on the moon in you opinion??    Apollos 14-17 all fakes in your mind as well.  A conservative estimate places the number of people in on a fake of this magnitude to be 27,000 honestly believe that since that time the number obviously having grown into the millions that still this grand conspiracy has yet to be revealed???  Learn a little, before responding.
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Hyperspeed wrote:

1938/1950s - Okay I got the dates wrong, half the US population was gullible 12 years earlier than I stated.

First of all half the population didnt believe we were being invaded, half the population of the US didnt listen to Orson Welles broadcast every week.   Anyone who actually tuned in for the start of the show, knew it was a show (as it was announced that way), anyone who was listening at the 40 minute mark, were again told it was just a radio play based on a story, three more times during the show they were again told it was just a radio show based on the War of the Worlds Novel.   This myth you are spreading that half of the US believed we were being invaded is just that, a myth.  Really read a little before posting silly things again.

27,000 couldn't be wrong about the moon landings?

Is English a language you dont understand very well??  A minimum of 27K have to be involved in the coverup during the Apollo Program is the theory you are supporting.  Since then that number has to have grown immensely, in the millions as we've talked about.   Really believe millions of people past and present are part of a coverup that the US made it to the moon, plus at least 13 other nations are helping us with the coverup???  (Including Russia, Ukraine and China?)

There are 2 million employees of the Pentagon

No there aren't but hey facts and you have a big schism anyways.

             
Alas, I still don't believe man has landed on the moon.

Then tell us oh wise one what really happened.  How come I can bounce light off of the lunar laser ranging retroreflector array to this day??  Can you explain that??   How did people in at least 14 countries receive data from the moon during the Apollo missions in your myth scenario??   And again you didnt answer the question about when did the coverup start for the Apollo program, Apollo 4??  I mean if you believe it starts after Apollo 8, we have the problem that they are already orbitting the moon, landing on it is a pretty easy feat.   Where exactly did you go to school that you would have so little knowledge of science, math and physics that you can believe this theory??
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Hyperspeed wrote:
I'm not disputing we have placed things into orbit or sent probes around the solar system. I'm not disputing Hubble (even though the images are touched up with those colours) and maybe I am mixing anti-war with anti-science.

The images arent touched up, if you want to understand color and Hubble, you need to read about it, I'm not teaching color and Hubble today.

However there are a number of scientists that have made it vocal that the radiation levels on the moon would be too high, as would venturing too far from near Earth orbit. They say that for a week long journey back in '69 it would have killed the astronauts and THAT is why Russia never made it.

Name a scientist today that says that, none do, we watch TV from satellites all that went through what 1940 scientists thought was metal destroying radiation.    

What happened to Laika, and that monkey?

Oxygen deprivation for Laika, Lots of monkeys flew in space, the first two to survive landing were Able and Baker in 1959, Baker lived to the age of 27, dying in 1984, both he and Able are buried here in Huntsville on the grounds of the Space and Rocket center.  You do understand that the Space Station (which I see fly over every few days) is higher then most of these early monkey flights that you think were killed by radiation apparently.   I personally can verify the height of the space station and the shuttle when its up (or the russian resupply rocket) so I too am part of this huge conspiracy about space apparently.  If you were talkinga about Chimps, the US sent two to space, Ham the Astrochimp who went into space in 1961, lived in the national zoo for years (I even fed him a banana there once) eventually passing away in 83, 22 years after rocketing into space.

If man did land on the moon then I'm sure we've been given a much glossier image of it than we should have. Such a feat would have incurred much higher casualties and would have taken a lot more time and money than a single economy could have coped with.

First of all how did they cover up the casualties in your mind.  I mean I can watch the launches from Kennedy from my parents house, as can millions of others living in Florida, its pretty hard to sneak launch a rocket in the US.   So rocket goes up, we know whos on it, we watch film from the rocket we watch as they get out of the rocket, we see interviews with them later, how exactly do you cover up the casualties.  Everyone knew when we lost Apollo 1, everyone knew we lost Challenger, everyone knew we lost Columbia, big secrets are hard to keep in the US.  

Anyway, I'm sceptical and not totally against the moon landings - but like the holocaust, which many are now questioning,

Holocaust happened, period, end of discussion.   Moon Landing happened, period, end of discussion.  With knowledge like you have the Flat Earth Society might be a good website for you to hang out on.
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PMC wrote:
Noooooo!  I didn't realise that Ham passed away in 1983???

Still, his exploits in space must have earned enough pension to keep the guy comfortable during his retirement years.  

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Ham was very well cared for at the National Zoo, and when I went and fed him was considered one of the three big draws at the zoo, the others being the original Panda Bears we had then and the 2 White Bengals.   When he got older, he went to basically a senior citizen home for apes in NC, where he was pampered even more.  He's buried in New Mexico at the Space Museum there with the other space chimp.  
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Hyperspeed wrote:
would have taken a lot more time and money than a single economy could have coped with.

The US built over 3000 nuclear intercontinental ballistic missiles during the 50's, 60's and 70's.   Yet you think that our economy would be bankrupt building the less then 20 Saturn V rockets we used as part of the Apollo program???   How does that make sense??
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USA4Life wrote:
It would make sense to split the rights of the moon up between all who can get there. Sort of like Antarctica.

Actually its funny your brought that up.  The US (and the UN) say that antarctica is the property of the world.  Japan, several EU nations and the Russians have instead claimed portions as there own.   These same nations are very adamant that the US can't claim portions of the moon even though our astronauts are the only ones that have landed there.
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hppacito wrote:

btw. I also don't believe they put a foot on the moon. Why they where unable recently ?.

Can you explain when you think we tried to recently, apparently a bunch of us missed it.  If you dont believe we made it to the moon, you're an idiot, and you need to explain which Apollo mission began the fake, theres a fairly comprehensive list on the front of this thread.

On the other hand with the dispersion a laser has, how is that something arrives to the moon and comes back ?, maybe that mirror arry is really big :-?

5 Reasons we know we went to the Moon

Under reason 5 above, you can find out all about the Arrays, how they are used, and how they work.
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Hyperspeed wrote:
Hrrm, agreed on all points...

... except I have this feeling in the back of my mind that NASA's budget comes from the USAF. Not sure.

No, NASA has its own budget.

Then there's this 'Jet Propulsion Laboratory' thing and the fact that shuttle pilots train in the airforce...

JPL was founded as part of California Institute of Technology in the 1930s and is a NASA labratory and the shuttle pilots arent trained by the Air Force.  Given the candidates for shuttle pilot need over 1000 hours of jet flight time most have spent some time in the Air Force or Navy (the most likely place for a US citizen to get 1000 hours of flight time piloting a jet).  
     

I wonder why the Russians never kept their cloned Shuttle going though and how many times it flew (if at all!).

Burn threw on the first flight (unmanned) it never flew again.  
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