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Wayne wrote:

That's a good question indeed. What happens if you loose this hi-tech-musthave-shiny-geek-phallus-symbol or if it gets stolen (not that unlikely in 24 months)?

Most phone companies provide you with insurance for like $5.00 per month or so.  Granted over 2 years, that's like $120 but it beats buying a replacement $200 phone -- regardless of who makes it (nokia, samsung, t-mobile, apple, etc).  Smart phones, like the iPhone all generally cost the same amount (not counting "please switch to xyz rebates"), so I'm not shocked at a $200 phone any more.

Not true.  AT&T doesn't offer insurance for the iphone.  You can get the Apple extended warranty, but that doesn't cover theft or loss.  You could put it on your homeowners insurance but I'm guessing your deductible is more than the iphone anyway.

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Keep in mind that the AppleCare warranty doesn't cover accidental damage either.  So, you really need to be careful.  But, now at $200 it's a bit easier to swallow than $400 if something does go wrong.

My two remaining issues with the iPhone are the fact that there is no corporate discount for the plans (I get a 18% discount on any AT&T plan except for any iphone plans!? :crazy:), and the fact that to do a lot of the cool stuff you need to void the warranty.  I don't have $200 to gamble really.  Hopefully the new software and features will fix this.

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Not me either.  I was actually looking forward to the new iphone, but the now >$70/month minimum plan (data, 450 minutes, 5000 night and weekend, no text) turned me off.  I'll stick to my old dumb phone or get a more capable smart phone down the line if I want to spend the extra money.

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bloodline wrote:
The thing is, there are only two types of people... Those who want an iPhone and those that have never used an iPhone.

You're right, there ARE two types of people...  Apple zealots who believe Steve Jobs is god, and those that are more firmly rooted in reality.

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bloodline wrote:

adolescent wrote:
You're right, there ARE two types of people...  Apple zealots who believe Steve Jobs is god, and those that are more firmly rooted in reality.

That's just an insult... at least my statement was rather clever word play :-P

It's more of a compliment.  In some ways you are like Apple disciples.  :-D

bloodline wrote:
But how St Jobs managed to turn a failing computer company  into what Apple is today is frightening... by rights Apple should have gone the way of Commmodore, Atari, Sincair, Acorn, etc...

What shape was Apple in when Jobs was ousted in 1985?  Seems like he was part of the problem back then.  Good to see he fixed things.

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bloodline wrote:
I think Apple was one of the biggest computer companies in

Probably.  But, 1985 was the worst year of Apple's history up to that point.  1/5 of the workforce (1200 jobs) sacked , 3 of 6 factories closed, Mac sales ~10% of expected, first ever operating loss reported, etc.  All under Jobs watch.  

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bloodline wrote:
Actually John Sculley was the CEO at that time, Jobs had never been in charge of Apple until 1997 (and in the mid 70s)...

Steve Jobs was the Chairman of the Board from 1981 until he was fired in 1985.  You don't get more "in charge" than that.

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bloodline wrote:
As proven by Jobs ousting, the CEO is more powerful.

Not quite.  It was the board of directors that sided with the CEO.  The CEO, Scully, did not actually fire him.  IIRC, the board asked him to resign and striped him of all operation duties, which led to him leaving.

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bloodline wrote:

Yes... it shows clearly that Jobs was not in control... he lost control in the 70s

hmmph..  There is no use arguing with an Apple fanatic...  You are right, Steve Jobs can do no wrong.  He didn't ride the company down to the dumpster in the early 80s, sell off his stock and resign (all as Chairman of the Board and a majority stakeholder of the company).  Nope, didn't happen.  Look over there, something shiny.  :roll: