PS3 - X-Box 360 - Nintendo Revolution

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lou_dias wrote:

That was true except for the Gamecube.  It was always a profitable machine as will Revolution be.

Not true.  Due to poor sales, production cost went up early on in the GCNs lifecycle.  Couple that with price cuts to stay competitive and it's been losing Nintendo a ton of money.   At ~$150 they were breaking even, at $100 they are losing money.  Now at $100 with a pack-in and (new release) first party title they are losing even more.

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lou_dias wrote:

You have no idea what you are talking about.
Once they removed the DV out (after already removing Serial Port 1) the console was right around the $100 mark.  And that was 2 years ago.  It's a well known fact that the GC has been profitable for Nintendo.  Otherwise why would they blame lower profits directly on lower Gamecube CONSOLE sales?

Oh and the key word there is PROFITS.

http://cube.ign.com/articles/656/656903p1.html
http://www.gamesarefun.com/news.php?newsid=5653

Please provide links to these "well known facts".  The links you posted in no way show the Gamecube is profitable at any price point.  

Nintendo has cut its first-half operating profit forecast by one third due primarily to slow sales of GameCube hardware and software in North America.

They don't blame the latest on just console sales, but hardware and software combined.

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@lou_dias

Typical.  Instead of providing any real facts or evidence to support your claim, you resort to name calling.

But, here you go anyway...  welcome to Timbuktu.

http://www.gaming-age.com/news/2002/1/30-127

The unit cost of producing and distributing the GameCube has actually become higher than its retail price, since launch.

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@lou

Provide proof then.  You haven't shown a piece of evidence to support your claims.  (Your word alone is definately not credible.)

[adolescent]

lou_dias wrote:
Oh and Nintendo learns it's lessons well:

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=12324

free access to online play for the DS and Revolution.  Have fun paying for XBOX Live.

This is great news for DS owners (and McDonalds fans I guess) left out in the cold by Nintendo's decision to use a proprietary wireless protocol.  It's good that Nintendo is begining to open their eyes to the possibilities of online play.  

As for Xbox live, it's quite a different atmosphere.  There are thousands of players online at a time, playing the hundreds of online games available, from all areas of the world.  Only time will tell if the DS wireless will take off like that.

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lou_dias wrote:

why don't you read their quarterly earnings report or annual ones?
http://www.nintendo.com/corp/annual_report.jsp

what do you want me to do hand you it?

Yes please.  Nowhere in the Nintendo financial reports do they declare a profit on the Gamecube hardware.  Quote some of those super secret www.dsbuzz.com sources.

What makes your word the Holy Grail?

My word is backed up supporting information, not blind fanboy speculation.  

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@lou

I stand by my previous statement.  Nowhere in the text quoted does it say the Gamecube hardware makes a profit (which is your contention).  You're reading something into the sentance that isn't there.

Another quote from a Nintendo news site.  (2005 so you don't whine about it being old)

http://nintendoinsider.com/site/EEEZuAypVuTuOJPzyb.php

The system was still making Nintendo money at $150, and it wasn’t until its $99 price tag that it was estimated Nintendo was losing money – but only in the single digits.

Yes, the $99 drop was when the cost reductions were done and the shift to China a few years ago.  So, once again I stand by my statement.  (and there's plenty more REAL quotes that back it up...)

[adolescent]

Dr_Righteous wrote:
Um... But what new games are out for my Genesis?

Unfortunately, none.  But, that doesn't make the old games any less fun.  I recently dusted of my JVC X'Eye for a Sonic fix.

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@lou

Funny, you don't seem to read so well (or DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND).  My quote clearly said that the cube broke even at $150, and lost money at $99.  Just like the article(s) I quoted/linked.  

Of course, it's easier for you to just call names than have a civilised discussion so we'll leave it at that and not troll this thread up any more than you already have.

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lou_dias wrote:
I think MS is scared that Revolution could dethrone the 360 as the FPS platform.

I don't think that MS is scared.  Neither does anybody else.  But, only time will tell.

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1456&Itemid=2

Xbox 360 will overtake Nintendo’s Revolution, selling almost twice as many next-gen consoles by 2010.

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lou_dias wrote:
Also the word "overtake" implys a "lead" to overtake. and also for 5 years from now.

Since you have trouble reading, I'll quote it again.

Xbox 360 will overtake Nintendo’s Revolution, selling almost twice as many next-gen consoles by 2010.

True, it does say overtake, but not 5 years from now.  The part you missed was that they're predicting the 360 to sell almost twice as many by the year 2010.

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lou_dias wrote:
it was 2:1 not 5:1 and I believe the article was targeting the US market only, good luck in Japan  :-P

Japan is such a small market these days that it's not as important as far as total sales numbers are concerned.  The real benefit to being successful in Japan is to attract Japanese developers.  

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lou_dias wrote:
About market size in Japan.  No one has bought an Xbox as the 360 is around the corner...but noone has ever really bought an XBOX in Japan.  Ever.  Didn't they break 100k units sold only this year?  And that's in 4 years of sales.

More "bullpoo" from you.  The Xbox has broken 100k units in Japan every year except 2004.  If you include the rest of Asia then the number is higher.    

In regards to the market, it is small.  Even Nintendo sells twice as many consoles and 2-3 times as many games in the US alone.  Europe has even become a larger market than Japan in the past few years.

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Since you're now posting random links, I'll play too.

http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/playstation-three.htm

http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/xbox-three-sixty.htm

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lou_dias wrote:
wow for once you posted something meaningful instead of spitting out "prove it" blurge at me...

I've just grown tired of correcting your errant fan-boy "facts".  And, since you've never actually proved anything I've stopped asking.