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Re: Demand for a BBS?
« on: March 12, 2007, 10:17:20 PM »
AND...I contacted the author of Telser a couple of years ago and convinced him to release the keyfile :) So that's on Aminet too. This means not only can you have a telnet friendly Amiga bbs, but it can have multiple nodes! Mmmmm - chat!

By the way, I think files and file transfers are an important part of the BBS community. Having an array of dodgy old files and pictures makes a change from the usual too-much-choice internet and in many ways is more interesting because they tend to reflect the personality of the board. I'd recommend against any upload/download ratios and if possible support anonymous uploading! Oh Yeah. BBSes were SUCH fun.
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Re: Demand for a BBS?
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2007, 05:46:14 PM »
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The key is offering a good service and a welcoming, local feel. Once problem with todays's BBS's is is that they feel "interneted". People set them up, realise there are not many users, then forget about them. I think this is due to the lack of personal/local feel with telnet. Nobody can bond emotionally to a single board. The internet provides all these days. Lots of activity (mainly from you - the sysop) is necessary - and not necessarily just in the file areas. That said, I wonder if it is possible to set up a board that emails you files selected for download, whilst retaining the old time "dial-up" feel?

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Absolutely! Completely agree. I've run two Amiga bbs systems in my time. One via dial up (which was an amazing, exciting experience) and one via telnet (which was a little bit dull). I think to REALLY resurrect a BBS and stand out from the hoardes you'd need an 0800 dial up board. This would be something else. I'm going to look into it now!
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Re: Demand for a BBS?
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2007, 06:18:49 PM »
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My personal feelings are that you would have lots of success offering a dialup connection. If I were to launch one, I may foot the bill for a few 0800 lines (you can get them with upto 1000 free minutes these days) The only reason I say this is because I feel the psychology of the "community experience" within BBS's lies in their exclusivity. Distancing yourself from the hoards (i. the internet) is a sure fire way to rebuild a loyal community. 0800 lines deal with the free unlimited access side of things.


This would be quite pricey though. Looking up one deal running at the moment, you can pay £19.95/month for 1000 minutes. If you limit a session to just 15 minutes that only allows you 66 log-ons per month, or about 2 per day. If you use more than that you're paying 3p/minute, say you double your available minutes to 2000 or 4 15 minute sessions a day you're looking at about £50 a month! It suddenly becomes quite expensive (especially when you add electricity and line rental on top). I suppose one way around it would be to have a 2-line setup. Have one as an 0800 line operational for a restricted time per day (say 8-10pm) which would equate to 3720 minutes based on a 31 day month (but of course you wouldn't have constant calls during that time). On the other line you could have a standard number or even an 0845 number which people could use. I imagine lots of people have "free national call" schemes which would make that equally fine, and if they don't the 0800 line would act as a good way to tempt people/get them interested. Also people would more happily hit the pay number if they're established on the board and can't say get through to the 0800 because it's busy. God, i'm getting excited about this!
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Re: Demand for a BBS?
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2007, 11:31:39 PM »
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I suppose mentally re-living the experience had me thinking about the whole ritual - modems/comms/huge phone bills etc... Im trying to pin down exactly what made it so exciting and why the internet so abruptly ended it all.


This is an interesting point, and I really think there's something in it. I remember my first evening of being a sysop. My board ran from 10pm till 7am (that's right, using my parents phone line). I'd wander downstairs after ten and quietly swap the phone cables (sorry Grandma. The line's mine now!). Back upstairs and you'd see the final light on the modem burning red..."Auto Answer". I actually got a call that night. I spent the weeks previously honing my ANSIs and I was quite proud of it all, it seemed to work well and I thought it looked good. Suddenly, a flicker of the activity lights on the modem, the hard drive whirring into action, the screen changing from the BBS rest state to the (carefully designed) log on prompt. And then the computer under the control of someone else, heaven knows who. M...A...R...S...H. That was the name of the first caller to the board. I think he was younger than me, had seen my amateurish advert on another BBS and thought he'd give me a try. I had to sit on my hands for all of 1 minute before finally breaking into "sysop chat" and giving him the chance to introduce himself (he was a friendly chap and called back often). Eventually he logged off and the BBS software returned to the waiting state. Total callers now listed as "1", auto answer light back on and waiting. I didn't sleep much that night.

So, what was it that was so exciting about those days which just doesn't seem to be captured by telnet efforts? Here are some thoughts..

a) Full screen. I've been using Syncterm (on OS X and Linux) and it's a good bit of software. But you can't get it to take over the screen. You can't "escape" and be transported into the BBS world. Okay, I know on the Amiga i could use NComm with telser or better still DCTelnet (which is excellent) - both of which provide lovely full screen.
b) The modem noises and lights!
c) Nostalgia for a time when such easy communication were still a novelty. This is probably the big one. Before the BBS my "interaction" with other Amigans was through the letters pages of Amiga Format and CU. They were where I found like-minded souls. Of course, there were kids that owned Amigas in school, but they were simply Mega Drives with keyboards to them. It was only in the magazines that I found other people doing really fun stuff with the Amigas. Then, people started calling my board, I started to call other boards, and we could interact, talk about computers, swap files (even pictures of naked women!). This was hugely exciting to a 15 year old.

Would having a dialup board recapture all of this? I imagine it would be a bit like comparing WinUAE to buying an A1200 off EBay. On the face of it they look the same, indeed, WinUAE would be FASTER. But, it never quite satiates that sense of nostalgia. It comes close, it's a useful device, but it doesn't make the heart flutter like it does when sitting in front of the real deal at 2 in the morning, feeling like you're 15.
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