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Re: How is MAME on the Amiga
« on: September 24, 2004, 12:23:33 PM »
Hi Cyberus,

I have tried both the Triumph version of MAME on the 060/AGA and the PPC/Blizzardvision setup. Firstly, the Amiga MAME is not at all optimised to take full advantage of the Amiga hardware, as it is a PC program. It also requires a fair bit of memory (32-64meg) and processing power to get the most out of it.

On the 060 setup i mainly ran games that used Z80 or before. Games such as: Bomb Jack, Donkey Kong, Pac Man, Yie Ar Kung Fu, etc. These games ran pretty well (FS1 with no sound or FS2/3 with sound for Bombjack or Yie Ar Kung Fu, etc). But i would bother try games that use the 68000 (Klax) on an 060, as these crawl on this (around 50% speed).

On the PPC, the Triumph version of MAME did not run to well on my setup, it was either pretty slower than normal or it had no sound. But the games that did run worked a little faster than the 060, not much better than i expected.

The Amidog version of MAME is pretty decent. But my advice is get the GUI. This ran very well on my PPC setup and you can get crystal clear sound. It runs games (Z80 or under) very well with sound. But games that use 68000 runs a slow (with sound), but playable.

My advice is get the Amidog MAME with GUI over the Triumph version. Once you have everything setup and running it runs pretty great. BTW, you should give a few of Amidogs emulators a try, as they run pretty decent. But remember, get the GUI! :-)

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Re: How is MAME on the Amiga
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2004, 12:03:25 AM »
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You'll be better off using WES. The speed es better than the version from Amidog. The MAME team moved to all 16bit while WES still uses 8bit graphics if required making it heaps faster than the latest version of MAME. :)


What's WES? I have never heard of it.

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Re: How is MAME on the Amiga
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2004, 01:04:59 PM »
On my Blizzard PPC/Blizzardvision (with Cybergraphics 4.2) setup, i found the resoultion to be pretty excellent. It is a pity that emualtion on the Amiga is next to {bleep}. :-( That is why i got a G3 iMac, for the emus and even now i am going to upgrade to G4 to get the better out of it. Anyway, here there are some decent emus on the Amiga: Flamingo, ASp, MagiC64, Frodo 2.4, Atari 800; all ran well on my setup.

Just to splice this subject, what is NeoGeo emulation oike on Amiga? On Mac and Windows, it runs nigh-on perfect! I can't believe i am playing Metal Slug at nigh-on full speed on my G3!!! :-o

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Re: How is MAME on the Amiga
« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2004, 02:20:32 PM »
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WES:
http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~cward/

Although I think the link is still related to my site, however I haven't got them there anymore. Hopefully on Aminet things are available. :)


Ah yeah i (accidently) bumped into that site ages ago. But i only tried out the NeoPocket emulator. Which ran okay with no sound, but i could not control it :-? But please tell me what NeoGeo emu is like on Amiga? On the PC and Mac, it seems to run excellently for some reason.

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Re: How is MAME on the Amiga
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2004, 11:06:11 AM »
I keep seeing the emulator CoolNES propping up. Is this actually any cop? I have a played a coupld of NES emus for Amiga, and they are all avarage cos they suffer from graphical glitches (please don't be affended, i am grateful of time spent). I rate ASp as the best emu on Amiga. It runs very fast (on good spec machines) and multitasks.

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Re: How is MAME on the Amiga
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2004, 01:20:12 PM »
Hello,

I tried CoolNESs. Sorry, it is pretty bad. The speed is the only defense. But the disapointment turned into joy, when i tried the DarkNESs emulator (68k version, although the PPC is very good as well). Boy now that is an emulator, okay it is a little slow, and the sound (but full speed with FS2) is iffy, but the games runs almost perfectly. Please some, update this emulator! I am going to try and badger the dude to update or at least release the source code, bearing in mind to update for 68k NOT AOS4! :-)


Oh, speaking of source code, i am also going to try and contact (again) the MagiC64 author and persuade (or buy out) the source code for his wonderful C64 emulator. I contacted the guy before via email (when i was after the, unregistered version) and i got through to him eventually. And he gave me the key file like a shot, he wasn't bothered. Which from one angle is good, but from another is very bad. So i am gonna try and get in touch with him again and get that source code.

Meanwhile, i have compile a list of best emulators for Amiga 68k (in order of best):

Gameboy:

Wzonka Lad - Very excellent emu. Runs lots of GB mono games with decent enough sound. Requires a decent setup (060) to make full use of this emulator. Seems to have way more features than AmiGamboy. Has excellent GUI for easy to use access.

AmiGameboy - A good GB mono emulator. Fast on 030 and full speed certainly on 060. Has very good sound, but can suffer from graphic glitches. Which is why Wzonka Lad is the better of the two. In it's defense, it probably has a better GUI than Wzonka Lad.

GNUBoy - A Gamboy Color emulator. This bloody emulaotr doesn't seem to run on my setup. Shame, i would like very much to see this working. It requires MUI, but i have installed this and still nothing happens. Can anyone eplain?


Master System / Game Gear:

AmiMasterGear - One of the better emulators for Amiga. Execellent speed on 030 and garenteed full speed on 060. Has lots of features to make emulation better/faster depending on setup. Excellent GUI, very easy to use. This is the Master System emulator to get on Amiga, except no imitations! :-) Awesome.

MasterGear - This 68k version is slow and is bugged with graphics glitches. If you have 030,040,060 AGA, don't even bother with this, go for AmiMasterGear. Which requires less power/RAM and runs games much faster. This emulator runs slow, even on my 060.

ZX Spectrum:

ASp - Probably the best emulator on Amiga ever. This can emulate a ZX Spectrum 128k (including AY Sound) fully with an 060 setup. Has very awesome features such as snapshots, an easy to use GUI. This emulator has tons of features to suit any Amiga setup (display mode, sound, etc). Can also achieve decent ZX Spectrum speed on 030,040. Can be made to run on any decent Amiga setup. I should know, as i was a former beta tester when i had my Blizzardvision setup :-)

X128 - A decent emulator. Has tons of features, but is let down by GUI. I also have yet to get my CD32 Pads working with this emulator. X128 is not quite as fast as ASp, but is faster at loading multi .tap files, and has a little better compataiblity. Can also emulate more ZX Spectrum models. Has good speed under 030, but 060 is really necessary to get the full use out of it.

ZXLive - Have not tried this one yet. But heard it is pretty good, if a little limited. A good start.

MSX:

AmiMSX - This is the emu that started the AmiEmulators boulder going. This is a very excellent MSX emulator. Tons of features (to suit MSX games configurations), a brillaint GUI, easy to use. This emulator achieves good speeds on 030, and full speed on 060. Compatibility, is excellent and speeds and graphics is better than fMSX (fMSX suffers than speeds being too fast, as well as graphics glitches). This is how all emulators should be done! :-)

fMSX - This too is a good emulator of the MSX. Has features of the AmiMSX emualtor to make certain games work under MSX confirgurations. This emalator achieves full speed on 060 (special version) and good speeds on 030. But will need 060 to get the most out of it. The thing lacking this emulator is certain games have graphics glitches, and speed problems. But fMSX should remain choice for graphics card / PPC owners, as AmiMSX cannot work with that hardware. This emulator is very flexible and has tons of screen modes, and AHI setups allowed. So this is a good second choice if using AmiMSX is not possible.

NES:

DarkNESs (68k) - A very good emulator. The mappers that are emulated, are emulated very well. But this results in speed loss. Therefore, i cannot recommend anyone with less than 060 to try this. But if you wan't to play the Super Mario games as they should, then try this! The sound on this emulator is not great but passible. The one other thing that lacks on this emulator is joypad/joystick support. Pity.

A/NES (68k) - An okay emalator. Runs very well on 030, and full speed on 060. But can only recommend simple NES games (like Tennis), to get any enjoyment out of this emulator, Super Mario can work, but suffers from the graphic glitches. In the defense of this emulator, it has tons of features, and joypad/joystick support. Something that lets dowm DarkNESs.

CoolNESs - This emulator is also okay. Achieves similar speeds to A/NES, but also suffers from the same (if a bit worse) graphic glitches they sacrificed, to gain speed. Has similar features to A/NES.

Commodore 64

MagiC64 - A very good and thorough emulator for Amiga. Runs very well from 030 and upwards, and also graphic cards. But not full speed, even at that. This emulator has many features and supports more file formats than Frodo. SID sound is supported as long as you have the required library file. But be warned, SID sound slows down emulation a lot (unless you have the hardware).

Frodo (68k v2.4) - This emualtor requires a very beefy Amiga, and can work well on an 060 setup if configured properly. But i wouldn't recommend anything less than 060, as this emulator is way slower than MagiC64. This emulator has a fair number of features, but not as many file formats supported as MagiC64. Has the SID sound support just like MagiC64. Just like fMSX, this emulator is recommened to graphic card owners, as this emulator is also very flexible with lots of screenmodes supported. A pretty decent emulator on the whole, recommended to graphic card owners. But MagiC64 recommended to 040 or lower owners.

Plus/4

Flamingo - An excellent Plus/4 emulator. Can get full speed on 060 and good speeds on 030. This emulator has lot of decent features and has very good compatibility with games. The emulation of the games itself is very good. Another very flexible emualtor, that can work on any setup, and achieve good speeds on any decent setup as well. Hint: Try out POD, a very good game! :-)

A4 - I have not tried this emulator, but seem to be the nearest rival to Flamingo. I heard that it was not what is was cracked up to be. (aka slow and emualtion problems).Use Flamingo instead.

MAME

MAME060 - This emulator is good for the early Arcade games such as PacMan, but don't expect anything else. Has features like sound and Joypad/Joystick support. This emulator is flexible, and can work on any setup, thanks to the screenmodes and AHI modes. But i wouldn't recommend anyone with less than 060/PPC, to get anything running at decent speed.


And that is the list. Hope it helps. This list needs to be updated probably though. Enjoy! :-)

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Re: How is MAME on the Amiga
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2004, 04:24:14 PM »
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A very informative post, CU_AMiGA


Thank you.

Anyhow. I have updated information. Concerning Commodore 64 SID emulation:

There are 2 SID emulation library files:

playsid.library - Good in terms of quality but bad in terms of speed. playsid.library can be found in the PlaySID package.

6581sid.library - Has okay quality (not as goog as playsid), but has much more speed than playsid. 6581sid.library can be found in the A64 package.

Hunt for these files on Aminet.


Note: I could cover the emulators on AmigaPPC, but considering i no longer have the hardware for them, it has no interest to me! :-)


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Re: How is MAME on the Amiga
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2004, 12:16:30 PM »
Hello,

Hey, thats a good list as well. Thanks for the addition. I found the link to DREaM:

DREaM v1.02

There is also the description of the emulator here:

DREaM Description

Actually, i am also looking out for fMSX version 2.3b2, just to experiment. If anyone can find this, then it will be greatly appreciated.

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Re: How is MAME on the Amiga
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2004, 02:20:14 PM »
Hi

I tried both Apple2000e and DREaM, and both worked very well on my setup and at great speeds. Brilliant emus!


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In defence of CoolNES - it supports excellent sound, fantastic GUI,CD32 pad support and Mario3 (although mildly glitchy) is playable enough to keep you at it for a few hours.

Mario3 has to be the most playable game on an 8-Bit...  although due to the glitching the bonus rounds become unusable.


To be honest. I couldn't play the game on that emu. It was far too glitchy to be playable. It runs really well on DarkNESs though, but can be a little slow at times, even on 060.


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I think AmiGameBoy is better than WZonkaLad because, like
AmiMasterGear, it has perfect sound, CD32 pad support, full speed and if a game follows the rules it will not glitch. Sadly - Mario doesn't work on it, although Tetris and Kirby are fantastic - as is Bomberman et al.


Yes, AmiGameBoy DOES have better sound than WzonkaLad. but WzonkaLad also has all the features you meantioned above, and has more compatibility. Also, i managed to get Mario 1 and 2 working under AmiGameboy, although they can get glitchy (on puase screen for example).


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On a more sophisticated note, has anyone got anything like Duke Nukem or Marathon running on Shapeshifter or Fusion? What was FusionPPC like as I'm itching to play Command & Conquer on Amiga!


Yeah. I would also like to try that. I heard you can get Duke Nukem/Doom running great on Shapeshifter and Fusion. In fact, Sim City 2000 on the MAC is meant to run faster on Mac emu, than the Amiga version!!!!


I am also thinking about trying to get iNES, and a few other emulators that run on 680x0 to run on emu! For a laugh :-)

Regards,
A1200D / AGA / B1260 / 64MB RAM / KS 3.1 / AOS 3.9 / 4GB HD