Amiga guilt and time distortion.

[Khephren]

Windows 95 ended the debate.  It was solid, graphical and cheap.  There was a brief moment for Amiga and then it was gone.  I believe there was no winning hand.  The direction the industry took was inevitable.  Instead of crying over the past let's just enjoy our little corner of it.

welldone for proving RQ's point.  C= going bankrupt ended the debate.
'95 was the first usable MS gui that vaguely operated as amiga/mac users expcted a gui OS to function.
It wasn't cheap. because our OS was free. it wasn't solid, because it invented the term 'bluescreen of death'. it was a massive resource hog, as all MS OS's have been since.

RQ I may think commodore heralded the downfall of the amiga, but that does not mean i'm a pc fanboy. C= does not automaticaly = amiga. Mehdi Ali proved that.
Also, many of those who slag off various elements of C= or Amiga, are probably mourning what could have been if things had been changed with hindsight, not shouting for the oposition.

[Khephren]

The point PC was viable future winner for UK computer gamers was mass adoption by software houses of VGA graphics as standard. Why?

386 VGA/SBLASTER owner buys SF2....pretty slow and unplayable. 18 months later sells it and gets 486DX66 +GRAVIS etc....suddenly old unplayable game is arcade quality. Had 256 colours but is faster and sounds better automatically.


A500 owner buyss SF2...32 colour slow rubbish....3 years later he gets a 4000/030 and loads SF2....STILL rubbish (same speed, 32 colours, SFX/music). Has to pray a good AGA version is released and buy a 2nd copy if it is ever made! No reward for his £999 investment!

And that my friends is the problem, in 1990 most arcade games on PC had 256 colour graphics like Super Nintendo and their old PC games bought before upgrading to better PC automatically improved without the need for a single line of game code to improve. VGA mass adoption was the key. EGA Cinemaware games will forever be inferior to Amiga versions even on an running on Intel i7 920 PC today. After VGA though it was game over. 256 colours was enough even for 3D games like Doom or Screamer Rally  comparedto PS1 RidgeRacer/Doom.

Big problem for AGA AND Atari Falcon potential purchasers no?

Hmm. So having the game run shit on your £1000+ 386 is a good thing?
So the fact that it was badly written for the 386 is good thing?
And we all have the money to then buy a new computer every 18 months?
Ever wonder why gamers have switched from the PC upgradathon to an Amiga like console lifespan of 5+ years?
The switch over to most games being VGA did not occur in the UK at least,  as early as you say it did.
Also, the game will not suddenly improve. EGA and VGA were often different boxes for disk versions.


Your exactly illustrating what's being talked about here.

[Khephren]

In any event however, its completely irrelevant today. Why bother worrying about it?

RQ we are posting on a forum dedicated to a computer that realisticaly died in '94. It's all irrelevant. But it obviously matters, else none of us would be on here.

[Khephren]

You are the classic reason why this place is going downhill fast, too eager to post your ill-conceived response.

hmm, iv'e been on here since the 90's, so i can't be making it go downhill that fast.
my post history shows me helping people out, welcoming new starters, and giving away hardware.  i'll go through yours and get back to you. I expect it will have giant waffling paragraphs of shite. just like the ones you just posted.

[Khephren]

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Gotta disagree with that point of view... a lot of "new users" or folk who are finding the Amiga once again post quite a lot of interesting questions looking for help setting up their Amigas, which when I can, am only too glad to help out with...

It's mostly "old members" who post the "downhill" stuff about PCs, iPhones etc... and use the place as some sort of social club that detract from the real Amiga questions & topics new users have...

Well, I stay here because there is always a good influx of interesting new people, but that's added to the older crowd, there's good and bad amongst both. I'll judge on what people say, not how long they have been on here.

I actually enjoy the odd 'back in the day' discussion. Until someone personally insults my contribution to the site that is

[Khephren]

It's not just age that causes distortion, it's location. Amiga's were an also-ran platform in the U.S by the late '80's. U.S users see the Amiga as a minnow, EU users see it as a fallen giant.

Maybe PC's were cheaper there, perhaps consoles were released cheaper/before europe got them. I don't know. I know the U.S has higher disposible income, and still does, might have something to do with it.

[Khephren]

when I said I enjoyed many new users comments lately, RuneQuester was at the top of my list. I don't always agree with his stance (in this thread for one), but his threads always provoke the most interesting conversations.

[Khephren]

I'd love to see a linux distro with some Amiga-isms in it, coupled with what Linux can do.

This needs it's own thread. Runequester...you know what to do!