NatAmi... The New Future Of Amiga...

[Khephren]

The one thing that annoys me is that the N68050 won't have a full MMU, so running things like Enforcer will require the 68060 daughterboard if you want to actually use the Natami to develop/debug with those kind of tools. I'll still end up buying one, though.

Toni Wilen, the current author of WinUae is involved with the project, so there could be some dev helpfrom there. He's just put MMU code into winuae I believe.

@Commodorejohn
A500 is a good baseline , and the A1200, minimig, FPGA users and NatAmi owners will be able to enjoy the fruits of these labours too  This is why I love the idea of NatAmi, it's  true classic Amiga, but should have enough grunt for more modern stuff too. A decent browser and a little bit of 3D, and lots of nice 2D games please!
I hope it's not too expensive to, 68060's are not cheap! I may have to wait for their 050 core.
I also hope they don't opt for PC cases. I'd like to see some nice custom Amiga cases, for those that want them. Personally, i'd like a wedge, dunno why, always loved them. I guess they just shout 'home computer' to me.

[Khephren]

You are mistaken.  Toni is a member of the AROS 68k team.  Not the NatAmi team at all.  He couldn't care less about the NatAmi.

Shame, must have misinterpreted thread from here: http://www.natami.net/knowledge.php?b=2¬e=25408&order=&x=3&z=_3-yUS

"in other news, Toni Wilen (WinUAE) has now joined the project and will help out with AROS-m68k
 
His goal is to ensure as good support as possible for hardware-hitting games and apps, so that he eventually can distribute an AROS ROM with WinUAE."

So it's just AROS then, I misinterpreted it as having joined the NatAmi team.

I guess WinUae with MMU will be of use for developing software-but strictly from a pure classic stand point? No new NatAmi features.

Would they have to release 68050 emulation code to take advantage of that processors special features (if any)?


@Britelite, can't see $100 happening, I think we will be luck if it's under $500 I think they should have donme the 050 before the 3D core-would reduce cost and increase preformance over an 060 version (if what they say is true..they seem to know their stuff).
Do you have this from demogroups themselves? i'd be interested to know the scenes attitude to this machine, if you have any info.
However, if they knew it was fully Amiga compatible, with 24bit but 3x the speed of an 060, they could just program for that, from winuae. Ok, you'd miss out on the NatAni features, but would look very nice all the same.


@commodorejohn
True, but you could have a few options. I mean, most PC users have the monitor free standing, with the tower under the desk, and LCD's don't need much room. But I see your point, are you hoping for more of a desktop design? My Amiga moves about a lot (room to room, house to house, rarely country to country) , wedges are ideal for that.

[Khephren]

Oh lord.  "CRTs are better!  Put it in a wedge case!"

Jesus, why not just seal it in a 20lb block of epoxy and make it only hook up to zenith console sets while you're at it?

I'd love to have one, but only if they offer bare boards I can put in a case and connect to a monitor of my choosing.

jesus I don't think any of us were saying MUST be a wedge, MUST be a crt. Get a grip man!

And a CRT will give you a much better picture for old school games built to work on CRT TV's originaly. Artists specifically use the phosphor glow to blend the colours, but you knew that anyway, so i'm going to take one off your troll score for that

[Khephren]

Not interested in reactor core glow either...but heard a lot of russian speccy fans have gone bald and grown extra hands

Sadly, hardware needs developers...this could be the problem, your right. Ten years ago, we might have been all right,now?...I don't know so much.

I mean, I have a N900 phone, GPU, loads of RAM etc...but just getting ports. I think Acorn Achimedes had the same problem.

As for UAE, yeah I use it a lot too, even use it at work.
But on games night on a friday, it's nice getting the old girl out for a play (the A1200 that is..) And a damn site easier to clean up than lugging my PCtower down to the concervatory (and no, I won't let the bunch of drunks I have round play UAE on the laptop....just think spillage)

[Khephren]

Hardware can draw developers to it, though. If the AROS68k port keeps progressing as it has been, that'll give the NatAmi a leg up on the software thing and hopefully generate some interest in developing for it, and I think/hope Franko is right about it becoming a new standard target, though that will depend largely on how affordable it turns out to be.

That's what i'm hoping C=john. I think it might get a bit more interest than we are expecting, and not just from Amigans/lapsed Amigans.

[Khephren]

it's a miniATX board isn't it? i'll hunt some down tommorow. NatAmi has been around for years....but iv'e now decided to allow the 'get excited' button to be pressed

[Khephren]

Hi,

Yes a dead 68060 running at 133 mhz to 166 mhz would look good in a dead CD32 case after all the 68060 is a pretty dead processor after all.

Well back to my old win uae which would make the new Natami look like a snail running backwards.

smerf

A dead 060 in a dead cd32 case, on a forum dedicated to a dead OS from a dead hardware platform from a dead company....and still you post on it?

[Khephren]

For sure NatAmi is an interesting project. Let's wait for ready product and we'll see what it is worth.

True, I think we still have a year+ for the software to be finished. Still, at least it is no longer 'vapour'...(well, not completely!)