How would you rate support to AmigaOS 4 in support forum

[Lionheart]

OS4 is garbage.  It's around $150 by itself, which is usually included in the price of the expensive hardware it needs to run off of but for some weird reason can't fully support.  Also, Hyperion's OS4 benefits Amiga, Inc and their corrupt conservative con-man CEO Bill McEwwen through their licensing agreement and because it uses what little there was to use of the old Amiga OS 3.x source code.

[Lionheart]

@Lionheart, so what do you prefer then?
Old and expensive 68k hw? old Macs? or x86?

It doesn't really matter if I prefer 68k, x86, or PowerPC when Hyperion can't even fully support the very limited amount of hardware Amiga OS4 can run on.  But hypothetically if I had to chose a platform and driver development wasn't an issue, I would at least port it over to ARM.

The price/performance ratio for ARM is much better than it is for PowerPC.  It would allow smaller and cheaper systems to be built, which is what Amiga needs since most people will be running it alongside their PC anyway.  The last I heard the PA6T-1682M was costing the manufacturer between $550-$615, which is ridiculous.  

For the price of the X1000 you get one user, but you could spend the same amount spent manufacturing the X1000 and make more than 7 ARM powered computers and get 7+ users.  More users = increased interest in software development.  Think about it.  Would you rather develop software for a system with 100,000+ users or for a system most people can't afford.

The X1000 may sound good on paper but what good is it if the operating system it's licensed to run doesn't even fully support it?  You're paying extra for stuff you're not using.  Given that, an ARM processor is more than capable of running Amiga OS4 as well it runs on PowerPC if it is supported.

[Lionheart]

Always nice to hear from an expert. What do you put the little use of old os3.1 sources?
And what hw have you tried?

OS 3.1 was released in 1994, back when the Amiga was still running on 68k hardware.  While Hyperion didn't have to waste time cloning and reverse engineering everything, some of that code is 68k assembly and couldn't be used.  Even with it Haage & Partner and Hyperion still had to use source code  from AROS to build 3.5, 3.9, and 4.x.

[Lionheart]

@Lionheart

Hi Vox

Haha, nice sockpuppet you have there ...

O_o ...?  My name isn't Vox and I'm certainly no sockpuppet, so I have no idea why you're directing your comment towards me.

[Lionheart]

Of course you don't ...

Sorry to disappoint you pal but I'm not Vox (whoever the hell that is).  Seems to me that you're in denial about how poorly done Amiga OS4 is that you've convinced yourself that I must be another registered member rather than a new member of this forum.  Given how bad OS4 is I guess having a new member is something that is new for you.

[Lionheart]

@Lionheart

LOL, that flamebait doesn't work on me pal, please try little harder



In denial... Like you were?

Flamebait?  You accused me of being someone named Vox.  I'm merely pointing out the reason behind your accusation.

And I would like to know, why you think that AmigaOS is so bad.

Beyond being called "AmigaOS" what does it have to offer?  It's only selling point is the name, which it licenses from Amiga Inc. (a company run by a con-artist and used as a shell company for tax evasion)




Alone it costs around $150, but this price is usually included within the sale of a new motherboard or system.  Now does $150 seem worth it to you for something that can't even fully support the very limited amount of hardware it needs to run on?  Add on to that the ridiculously expensive hardware and you got a system most people can't afford and an operating system that offers nothing exclusive beyond the name.  

I've never understood the need to bash OS4 by people who don't use it.... but all it does is drive a thicker wedge between groups of Amiga users.

People not being able to use it is the problem.  The fact that it requires expensive hardware most people can't afford limits the audience and interest in software development.  Continuing this kind of business model will end in failure.

The whole thread came about, once again - by the OP, who admittedly went into personal debt to buy an X1000 and OS4 without doing his homework about what is or is not supported onboard by the hardware by the OS.  He then went on a tangent about how he was going to sue Hyperion and A-EON because he didn't do any fact checking.

If you have to go into personal debt to buy an X1000 and OS4, you have a problem with your priorities.  I agree that he should have done his research.  However, A-EON does deserve some blame since they're selling the X1000 with Amiga OS4 and advertise features they know it doesn't support.  If you even look on their page for the X1000: http://www.a-eon.com/?page=x1000 they're still advertising their Amiga OS4 system with features that the OS they've included doesn't support and without disclaiming which ones are not supported.  Legally, this could be considered false advertisement since Amiga OS4 and features that it doesn't support are being advertised with it.

[Lionheart]

The price, is not higher than a windows licens.

Hardware comes as cheap as the SAM440, which is rather cheap.

A-EON deserves no blame, the produce and delivers, if you don't want to buy their hardware, then don't.

But why don't you just get a Pi with Aros, drink a nice cup of coffee and STFU!

The price/performance ratio of the Sam440 is a joke and its performance is on par with a used Mac running a PowerPC 750cxe.  Its only selling point is being able to run Amiga OS4 and even with that it's still not worth it.

I sincerely doubt it, since they disclaim in the page you linked to that specs are valid at time of writing and subject to change. Also, they aren't selling the product through that website.

Saying that the specifications are valid from July 2012 and are subject to change doesn't change the fact that some features advertised were never supported to begin with.  The fact that they're not selling it directly on their site is irrelevant since they link to the site where you can buy it and because the issue is not where you buy it but rather how it is being advertised by the company that makes it.

[Lionheart]

Or you could just "join us" (I love that phrase, its so Sam Raimi), with our just as high license fee and lower hardware cost, and learn what AOS could have become even before work was started on AOS4.

Then again, I actually find myself sticking up for OS4.
Its steadily (if slowly) improving, and as it is based on OS3.1, it IS an Amiga OS product.

Well according to Hyperion, AROS is apparently also built on OS 3.1's source code along with MorphOS. :razz:

Of course those statements are false and were only used by Hyperion to spread FUD to slow their development.  AROS has been around since 1996 and had to waste time cloning and reverse engineering everything. Even though Hyperion already had the 3.1 source code, some of that code is 68k assembly and couldn't be used.  Operating systems have changed since 1994 and developing a modern operating system wouldn't have required much use of 3.1 source code since a lot of new code has to be written to bring it up to date.  Even Hyperion had to use source code from AROS to build OS4.

[Lionheart]

Which specification(s) from your link are you thinking of that aren't supported by A-Eon's hardware?

More like not supported by Amiga OS4. Xena (the onboard XMOS), Xorro (the proprietary hardware slot), on-board sound chip, on-board ethernet chip,...etc.  Although some of the on-board components were supplemented with add-on cards, I can't find the specifications for these components.  Which brings me to my next point: why would anyone be dumb enough to develop and waste money for on-board components that aren't supported only to have to use add-on cards in place of those components (further increasing the cost of the system)?

You (apparently) would be shocked to hear of some of the things marketing departments get away with, that are heavily disclaimered in the small print before the point you accept the T&Cs and pay.

Actually I wouldn't.  I know how marketing works but in order to run a business you also need to cover your ass.  If you're target audience is one that can waste $3,000 on exotic hardware, it makes sense that they probably have enough money to sue you.

A-Eon 'makes' the X1000.
Hyperion 'makes' AmigaOS.

Way to state the obvious genius. (^_~)b

Lionheart, you really need to come with documentation for your claims.

And you really need to be more specific as to what claim you would like documentation for.

[Lionheart]

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Come on guys... this 10 post lion vox troll is just trying to get his goats

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@Lionhart, all of them, if I only wanted a reliant soruce for some of them I would have said so.

@SACC-guy we all know he is a troll, like vox, no worse no better.

Then I suggest you take your own advice and STFU then.  I don't have time to debate with OS4 fanboys who are dumb enough to buy expensive over priced hardware from a company that knows they're stupid enough to buy it as long as they slap an "Amiga" sticker on it.

And yet apparently you're naive enough to think you can take a marketing document with disclaimers all over it and nail someone to the wall with it in court even though you have inferred meaning way beyond that which is even implied, let alone stated, in the document.
Add to that the informative sales portal which clearly states the limitations of support in the current OS release for said hardware...

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If someone advertises a complete system with a list of features and you find out later on after you bought it that the OS they advertised it with doesn't even support those features, then that's considered false advertisement. I also can't find any mention of the specifications of the add-on cards they used to replace the on-board components they advertised and therefore cannot verify if the specifications are even the same.  

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Do I think A-Eon could have done more to not misrepresent the capabilities of the computer they're selling? Absolutely.

[Lionheart]

^^ This.

Do you want me to embolden the 'if' for you?

There ya go sweetie. :-)

You're not very bright.  And if you're trying to come on to me I'm not gay and wouldn't be interested in you if I was.