**Need Setup HELP** with Classic Amiga 2000 HARD DISK (Bridgeboard)

[wbrejnia]

HI Mashmalow,

Good timing I just finished my Fish Tank Project

I need something to do.

I will help you.

I will power up my Amiga & Bridgeboard tonight, and remind myself what worked. (I kept my one Floppy where it worked)

If I remember correctly, It worked with SD card, but not with Compact Flash.
Let me double check since that testing was long time ago.
 
 My name is Wally.

[wbrejnia]

Hi everybody! (and wbrejnia )
Expectacular thread!!!
There're a lot of information, tests, headaches, milestones, and... color fishes!

Let me introduce myself!
I'm an owner of a Commodore Amiga A2000 equiped with a Bridgeboard A2088. And a MFM hard disk which is broken.

All I'm going to comment on is done with the WinUAE. I'm conducting tests before testing with the original hardware. The UAE program is set up exactly like my computer. (Including ROMs)

I installed a CF card (20Mb) as a hard drive. (PC side) And it Works.
I made two partitions.
One partition with Fdisk utility, active and formated. The bridgeboard startup perfectly as C unit.
And I had made with Adisk, a second partición (20Mb)



I've been trying all the versions of Janus.

But when I try to run the DJMount command from CLI, the message "Divide Overflow " appears on the PC screen. And the CLI hangs.

Some clue to start from zero. (Again)?:confused:

What is the combination that finally works? (Janus version and WB version)

A note. I have a 1.2 kickstart (my A2000 is a German revisión) and my bridgeboard revisión is the 3.4



note 2: Forget the small partitions. They were tests from the partition manager.

SOMETHING is WRONG (with what YOU SHOW above).

(#001) In Screenshot you SHOW AMIGA PARTION1, and DOS PARITION 4 ** That will not work (DOS must be PARTIOIN 1, just like in Bridgeboard install manual ***

(#002) In words you say
I installed a CF card (20Mb) as a hard drive. (PC side) And it Works.
I made two partitions.
One partition with Fdisk utility, active and formated. The bridgeboard startup perfectly as C unit.
And I had made with Adisk, a second partición (20Mb)

which way is your FLASH Card Setup (#001) or (#002).

 0) Boot DOS From Floppy DOS DISK
1) Use FDISK and Make FLASH PARTITION 1 (DOS), make it PRIMARY (ACTIVE)
 2) USe ADISK and Make FLASH PARTITION 2 (AMIGA)
 3) Format C: /s (with DOS Format Command and install DOS bootblock)
 
 4) Take out Floppy and REBOOT

[wbrejnia]

I am checking my past PARTITION information.
 
 Then I will boot AMIGA and check LIVE.

[wbrejnia]

Hi Wally!

The partition active (on the PC side) Works perfectly.

(The images coming from my thread from another fórum.)

(#001) Strange, but the PC boots from partition number 4.
Ok! I'll change the partitions. '1' for PC and '2' for Amiga.

(#002)I will follow the steps indicated in order. Order is very important.

Thx!:)

I am confused.
In your screenshot above. PC boots (DOS WORKS).
What is you problem? Booting AMIGA from Compact Flash?
 
 I THINK I UNDERSTAND now.  You are stuck at DJMOUNT.
 I need to look into that.  Very specific versions of JANUS needed (Only worked for me with certain Versions [KICKSTART, Workbench, and JANUS).

[wbrejnia]

I DID IT !!

(All things working [ C: PC RLL Drive] [ D: PC SD Card Drive ] [ JH0: PC RLL Drive Amiga Parition off RLL Bridgeboard] )




I did get worried since after many boots/configs/jumpers, I couldn't get the Lo-Tech ISA/IDE drive to Initialize (even with CTRL-ALT-DEL)

Then I tried that last Workbench that got the Lo-Tech Working with a 5.25" MS DOS Boot Floppy.

Everything booted, Everything Recognized (without the 5.25" Floppy)

Hi Mashmalow,

I looked into past post.
I had to use Install with Janus Library 33.4 to get DJmount to work.
After that things went fine.

I can do that setup for you on MY Amiga. (I didn't do much after I got it working [ONLY on Workbench 1.2] ).

[wbrejnia]

Hi wally!

I was trying with diferents version of Janus, but I see a diference respect my configuration.

You have two hard disk. One RLL for C: and XTIDE HD for D:
You Amiga partition is in the RLL disk and I'm trying make an Amiga partition on my XTIDE controller.
I have a kickstart 1.2 and a workbenck 1.3 (but i also keep the version 1.2 disk)
My test was without instalations, directly with the Bridgeboard instalation disk and afther launching the PC. Maybe that's the problem, not all libraries must be properly installed.

Effectively, the BB boot from PC side always works. And since I don't have hard drive for ZORRO II card, this is the reason to try it.

Do you remember this headdache?


mmmmmmH.... I see.... Janus 33.2

OK!!! I'll try from zero with the 33.4 Janus version!!!!

Another thing, How is the startup-sequence configured?

And the librarys?

Wait... Xavier (MashMalow)... Wait... In order. XD

Xaxier,

Let's do this very organized.

1) (YOU) try 33.4 (Yes it only worked with specific version. WORKED only once for me, then I stopped progress)
----> Yes you should do Workbench 1.2 (I never tried 1.3)  ** I don't think STARTUP-Sequence is problem **

If it doesn't work for you....

2) (ME) I will setup my AMIGA with just (ISA/IDE -XTIDE/SD CARD)
----> to be exactly the same as your setup.

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Xavier,

Any luck?

I was digging thru my stuff and forgot I bought an extra Amiga 2000 Kickstart switcher.

I got the Roland 4x ROM switcher which I installed and working with 4 Kickstarts.

But then the Unitech Switcher Arrived in the MAIL after being lost.
 LOST in MAIL on way from Australia for 3 months.

This Unitech Arrived:

http://www.bigbookofamigahardware.com/bboah/product.aspx?id=684

 
 Here are the two  Switchers, I have.

Keeping the bottom one.  Don't need the top one.
 




I will be selling on Ebay, since I don't need two Switchers.
 
 But maybe you will need one, so just letting you know.

[wbrejnia]

Enjoy vacation.  Much more important than old computers.

[wbrejnia]

I dont understand!
Who was before? Jerry Lee Lewis or Jesus?
Jerry falls from the heaven to the earth and he was playing the hells piano?
Jesus was the first guy who was the firts owner of Commodore?
Kickstart was the first soocer player before Pele?
The guy who desing the board had a nice humorist? XD

Sorry, typing with my phone!

Funny.

If you are having problems, maybe easiest way to test is I make a ADF file of my working WB Floppy (the Workbench that works with Bridgeboard, ISA-IDE Adapter and working DJMOUNT command).

I have only 1 DISK that works right now.  So important that I made 4 copies.

If it's legal to do (assuming you own a copy of Workbench 1.2), I can upload to FTP Server and your can try to boot from it (After you convert ADF to Floppy), or maybe you have a GOTEK.

[wbrejnia]

Xavier,

For me to do the ADF properly, I would have to restore my Amiga back to past config. WD controller-HardDisk, ISA-IDE, SD-Card, etc

I will do that for you, but first get your main setup done.
-> Proper installed Bridgeboard Workbench 1.2 Floppy.
(Not sure why you need Essential, since I just did regular install, and it was tough to fit basic Bridgeboard Stuff on 1 Floppy)
-> Get you SD card Geometry correction (Dos Partition First [Bootable DOS], and 2nd Amiga Partition [Not Active but ready for Amiga Side Format, after DJmount)

If that doesn't work then I'll do some work on my side.

1) Maybe first show you Start-Sequence (and size of key executable listing)
2) Then if needed, re-configure my Amiga/setup and boot with Last working disk (need to find and test)

If I remember correctly, I only go things working with my Hard drive, and ISA-IDE (SD) card was extra Partitions.
So extra work for me to re-do same as your setup (All on Compact Flash, or SD card). I do have both, but only used SD (since I had problem with Compact Flash)

ok?

[wbrejnia]

Hi Wally!

No way, man!
It's improved, but I don't advance.

Diferent message.
One note: remember that I'm trying to do the partition with the UAE emulator. My hardware it's in another town. and only can touch the real hardware during my hollidays.
I'm not sure if my problems come from the emulator.
I'm doing all with my real (emulated) hardware. My BB bios (3.4)... KS Bios (1.2)... My WB's (1.2 and 1.3)... and the XT_IDE CF emulator, recently purchased.

Ok!
It may be a problem of configuring memory positions.

Give me more time, and so I'll have a diagnosis.

I read on PG 24 that the same thing happened.

Stay tuned!

Ouch!
I forget the startup-sequence:

I think that message mean the bridgeboard is not active.
Before you run DJMOUNT make sure the Bridgeboard is booted, and at DOS prompt.


But one thing I remember, and maybe I should try after you give up, is I never got things working with ISA-IDE and (COMPACT FLASH CARD), I only got it working with (ISA-IDE) and (SD card). But that may not be related since you are booting with COMPACT FLASH.

Try this. After bridgeboard boots "do CTRL-ALT-DEL" to restart "Amiga-BB PC" SOFT WAY.
During BRIDGEBOARD boot you should see Janus handler message.  (As TOP part of BIOS banner)
Then run DJMOUNT.

I need to rebuild my Amiga and try again.
It was very picky to get working.

Keep trying on your side.

[wbrejnia]

Xavier,
 
 My mistake.

The bottom window is windows so Bridgeboard and DOS is ok.

I am ready to do testing on my side AS SOON AS YOU GIVE ME NEXT UPDATE (Good or Bad). Hopefully GOOD

[wbrejnia]

I don't think it's so complicated.  (When you know nothing you think it's complicated.  I used to think so, but PROPER/MATCHING versions are VERY IMPORTANT)

EVERYTHING HERE IS (KICKSTART 1.2, and WORKBENCH 1.2)

BUT interesting. WHen I put in my FLOPPY to boot my working disk (IT DID NOT WORK). Gave me Errors.

** I GOT WORRIED **

THEN I pulled out my AutoBooting GVP Hard drive CARD, and then things started working.


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This setup is not with ISA-IDE, since I have RLL Hard drive inside Amiga.
But it shows some things that might help you.

I USED TO THINK STARUP-SEQUENCE was something Special

Look nothing here but it does the job to start up AMIGA WORKBENCH **ONLY **




What is important is the FLASH BOOT Bridgeboard Janus Messages at top.
When you run Amiga PC (Notice the VERSION NUMBERS)




The DJMOUNT command is this size to make sure you have same one.


Running DJMOUNT it doesn't give any message (unless problem)

WHAT IS IMPORTANT is check to see the LOGICAL AMIGA side see the JH0: Drive on the Bridgeboard.

It this this JH0: that you will format to make AMIGA PARTITION on SD Card.



RUN the "assign" command, you should get JH0: (If not then problem)


As I mentioned before FIRST PARTION is DOS, 2nd is AMIGA




*** NOW PAY ATTENTION *** THIS WHAT I learned last time

Startup Sequence and Paritions etc doesn't really matter for the FIRST PART (to get JANUS working)

What is important is the INSTALL of the WORKBENCH DISK with the proper DRIVERS

These get loaded automatically during OS boot, not part of Start-Sequence

*** THAT MESSAGE on Bridgeboard Boot JANUS Handler V.xxx ***
THat come from these files.

THE JANUS.Libarary in EXPANSION (Bridgeboard install disk put that on Workbench)



And the JDISK in DEVS



If you get the right Matching Version like mine, it should work for you.

GOOD LUCK.

Wally

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SUMMARY (of above POST):

1) Forget about s/startup-sequence (it's only when you get things working)

THIS MUST be right versions (file sizes give you clue):

2A) /devs/JDisk.device
2B) /EXPANSION/Janus.library

3A) Bridgeboard must boot (which is ok for you)
3B) Look for the correct versions of below in Bridgeboard BOOT Banner
-------> Janus Handler Version 2.71 (This comes from 2A)
-------> Janus Library Version 33.4 (This comes from 2B)

4A) Run "assign" from Workbench cli
4B) You should see PHYSICAL DISK on Bridgeboard JH0: (The Janus Disk) ** if you don't see JH0: then JANUS disk is not visible **
4c) Should be PARTITIONED properly ( but probably not important at this point )... Needed later for "FORMAT JH0:" and maybe DJMOUNT

5) c/djmount (must match the version of JANUS you have in /devs /EXPANSION (look at file size for clue if same as mine copy)
5) You can run DJMOUNT from CLI and it give no message (that is good)

And when that works......

6) The Bridgeboard PC HARD disk (SD card(worked for me) or Compact Flash(never tested by me) or RLL-Hard drive(worked for me) ) will need the 2nd AMIGA Partition.

7) THen your next step will be to run on AMIGA CLI (FORMAT -disk JH0: ..... ) I forgot the "exact command format", but it is in bridgeboard install manual

I hope this is clear now.

[wbrejnia]

Hi Wally!
I'm just getting ready to start my Christmas hollidays.
When I'll come back to my origin town, I'll try all notes that you had indicated with my real A2000, because with the emulator I can't do anything.

Cheers!
MashMalow

I thought you gave up since I didn't hear anything for a while.
 Have a nice Holiday.

[wbrejnia]

I'm back.

Been busy on Non-Amiga Project for a long while.  Got them finished up and planning to pull out the Amiga to finish up the loose ends.

To kick start my enthusiasm just Ordered a Buddha 20th Aniv Card, to add to my pile of gizmos to play with.