Actually, some of us remember the Amiga for (get this) being a really neat design in both hardware and software, not for giving Amiga owners a bigger e-penis than PC owners. I don't really care what clock speed is or isn't attained, I'd just like to see a new computer that's a worthy follow-up to what was really an amazingly elegant system for its day.
So? The exact same can be said about nearly everybody else in this community. It's not like Barry was present on the mountain with Carl Sassenrath and Dave Haynie for the Transfiguration of Jay Miner. How does this make him any more qualified to do anything Amiga-related than anybody else here?
Uh, wait, we "don't buy new hardware?" How is it that the first run of the X1000 sold out and they're doing a second run, then? Unless you mean we don't buy new hardware that's assembled from stock PC components we could get for less than half the cost, perhaps?
What's your criteria for a "real business?"
So? Doesn't mean we're obligated to agree with or approve of the doings of any random schmoe who's shelled out to Bill McEwen.
I'll remind you that this whole thing was Barry's idea. He asked for questions and we gave him questions; if they weren't the questions he wanted, that's his problem.
First, I am not afraid the 90% of wackos with maybe 10% actually have grown up and matured somewhat.
Second, if we want to be civilized, fine. Lets go with that but seriously if you want to ask someone who is investing a bit of his or her own money as well as serious business venture capitalists then you better stop with silly notions of ressurecting antiquate technology that not even god and Jay Miner combined could compete with todays tech. Guess what, new inventions came about since then and are fully patented. They aren't sharing their golden goose with anyone unless you talk big bucks like big bucks for even the likes of Bill Gates.
Commodore USA makes more money per year then every single Commodore 8 Bit and Amiga hobbyist-business makes from sales combined. Every one of you except maybe Jim Brain loses money and every one of you can't pay yourself on any classic hardware venture.
Why? There just is not enough people using the real hardware. Many of you collected them but nearly none of you use the hardware. So what is the experience for you now? Virtual emulated hardware. Nearly implies there is a few. I am not arguing that.
The next computer "revolution" isn't going to happen for probably 60 years. 30 years to make a viable quantum processor. Another 30 years red taped by National Security Agency of the NWO - the American Global Empire of the world. So, it isn't going to be seen for long after most of you are dead or wrinkled up old men and some women.
I challenge you to come up with a serious plan for product that can be sold to hundreds of thousands of people. I challenge you in this for a product that sustains interst in the Commodore brand, new and even old technology and support.
The interesting thing is, Commodore USA has helped in slowing down the eroding members of the Commodore community. If you paid attention, you probably seen some new faces or faces from old Commodore users from the 80s that left in the late 80s and early 90s reconnecting with Commodore technology and community. Something that has in fact help to slow down the decline.
However, old tech like the c64 and all of the classic Amiga models even with the best PPC cards ever made are really not up to the task of contemporary computing in any viable way.
I'll ask you to a task, design a 4500 sq.ft. House, two stories and prepare construction documents with visual rendering, mass model in a google earth visualization, I would need foundation plans, wall plans with proper national cad standards (US) in US measurements, roof plans, framing plan and door and window schedules. All the Construction document information must meet the following plan standards on 24x36 sheets and be distributed in PDF format. The CAD files must be distributed in Google Sketchup, .dwg files (autocad 2006 and after compatible) and Archicad/revit formats of the IFC formats supported by Revit and ArchiCad and other BIM tools.
Plan standards -
http://ncbdc.com/plan_standards.htmThey shall be done in 30 days. I want to see that done all on the ol' Amiga PPC computers.
We can do that on Windows, Linux (COS-V included), MacOS X but are your Amiga system efficiently up to the task to meet the interoperability of various consultants tool chains as well as your own as the lead design professional.
I understand this isn't how you use the computer but Amiga and Commodore 8 bit were designed for serious use at their time. The demand of what computers are expected to do has changed alot. We now have sophisticated networking interoperability.
Commodore USA is looking for products that will serve as primary use like your primary computer. They aren't looking at selling products that would be used part-time. Computers are a tool.
The majority of the people, computer is an investment. As in "for work and for play". The point is accurate to what computers are suppose to be used for work as well as for entertainment. It wasn't manufactured or produced to be desk decoration.
It is like asking Ford to produce model T's for only a cople hundred people a decade just so they are garage decoration. Seriously, it isn't going to happen unless there is ROI.
Most of you obviously don't run any real or serious business of any kind. If you had, you guys would not waste someone's who is running an actual business with no viable business plan.
Have or does any of you actually work for a serious company with lead managing roles of projects and project proposals. Try being more serious next time with a real proposal with seious investigation on return on investment.
Commodore USA is a business not a hobby shop.
I am not saying if I agree with Barry on everything. I don't but at least there is something.
To the dumbass who made a comment about forgetting a fan and referencing that person's 12 year old. geez, you know, that 12 year old had a captive instruction as in the child is doing what you tell the child to do vs. Doing anything on his or her own or on any real full education on computer science. The child is just getting one person's perspective and view.
Factors not considered might be.... The low power usage modes and subsequent heat emissions of the hardware. Netbook hardware without high power draw cpu? Wow....
Each cpu has a certain amount of energy efficiency of input energy and loss emitted as heat due to inefficiency. That is back to basic physics 101. It might not need a fan in the c64x. Given the bulky size and air space and energy efficiency of board chips and their thermal emission. If you done the research, it probably not that big an issue.
I read alot of emotional b.s. Nonsense throughout this thread.
I wish you guys grow up somewhat. Especially the ones demanding the most ridiculous claims.
You can prop yourselves like a bunch of walking phallics or you can provide reasonable solutions that makes sense in a practical functional business.
CMD left over a decade ago. That was the last real business supporting Commodore 8 bit from a development standpoint. jens is close and so is some but they are more quasi-business and hobby. Jens, I am not claiming your skill as hobbyist but your Commodore/Amiga business is somewhere between full fledge business and a hobby using your professional knowledge in hardware engineering but I doubt you are naive to make your living on Commodore and Amiga these days.
My point for the rest of you, how long would great guys like Jens and Jim and others be able to do this and to what extent. I am sure some of these guys could use some degree of support financially to offset some of their hard labor cost. I think that maybe an option if Barry considers it and if it is done in a manner acceptable to all parties.
Some of that is reasonable but that may or may not be out of Commodore USA, LLC. Business budget but maybe out of some personal money. The biggest thing is, would both sides be willing to come to the table in a civil manner with intelligent and professional quality planning.
Simply put, if you guys just knock off the silly crap then great. If you were employees and I was the CEO and I got this kind of response.... It would be hard pressed for me to not give most of you the pink slip.
PS: I am not one to sugar coat my point that much.
