$799 Pegasos II ODW; 200-Euro Peg I to Peg II upgrade offer

[System]

This is a typical payment/delivery procedure.

Absolutely agreed when you're actually ordering a product which has already been created and is ready for delivery.

I believe in this case however there is a tendency for people to equate "payment in advance" with "pre-pay" which has been an overly-abused scam for years in the Amiga community where you may, or may not eventually see the product you paid for.

Wayne

[System]

Not even Apple is interested in the "next PowerPC generation" so the idea of spending $799 for 2003's generation PPC machine (G4) is humorous at best.

Wayne

[System]

Hi Gary,

I guess my point wasn't that it was a pre-pay scheme, just bad wording, easily mis-interpreted considering the number of people who've been ripped off before.

I don't know the situation with these systems, whether pre-paid or ready-to-ship.  I don't really care, because it's not as though I'd ever waste that amount of money on antiquated technology (especially now that Apple has pledged it soul to Intel).  

I was just clarifying to the original poster and your reply about the normality of paying for a product versus it being a "pre-pay" situation.

The fact that anyone in this millenia doesn't understand that you have to pay before receiving a product is a bit mystifying.  

However, it's not as though the Amiga community needs a reason to mis-interpret anyone's words.  It's a natural gift for most I believe.

Wayne

[System]

@DJBase,

So your defense of overpriced, antiquated hardware is that you have nothing better?

I will admit that $799 for a complete machine isn't a "bad" deal and it's definitely a step in the right direction, it would be a lot better deal if it were  realistic hardware and not early 2003 specs.

For the same $799, I could build a hell of a PC, or even buy a top-end Mac Mini which may still run a G4, but has modern USB and other modern stuff.

(I do not intend to disparage bPlan at all.  I understand it's impossible for a small shop to keep up with constantly updated hardware specs, but at the same time, they can't claim "small shop" and "competitive" in the same breath).

Wayne

[System]

@DJBase

$499, or maybe even $599 might have swayed my opinion, but I just saw a higher-powered laptop for less than $650 that I would buy much faster than an "Old Dead Workstation" (not my term, but I like it)

Wayne

[System]

@zac,

Yes, but the Mac Mini has an OS used by millions, over 100,000 active developers, an active community, and more importantly, a future.  At least until 2007, at which time I'm almost certain they will be building a x86 replacement of sorts.

Wayne

[System]

Piracy is just part of the game for every platform.  The only real thing to do about it is to get in-roads into business, and to keep working to secure it.

Remember, they said x86, not "PC" which means that the systems they deliver could have absolutely nothing to do with everyday PC's except the accessories (cards, mem, drives, etc).  In other words, you can bet your ass that it'll be a proprietary motherboard which would probably prohibit OSX from being used on a generic board.

The difference is, Apple will do things the right way.

Wayne

[System]

@DJ,

Well, if you want to use MorphOS (and it is a fun little OS), then you're pretty much stuck with it.  Personally speaking, I'd have loved to have seen it ported to the Mac Mini, as I would have OS4, but oh well.

Wayne

[System]

@woof,

First off, mis-use of the word "troll" as I'm not.  I posted what I have because I believe that even at $799, it's too expensive for what you get.  I supported that with the example that you can get a far faster and more modern PC for far less money ($299 I believe from Dell).

Doing so doesn't mean I'm "trolling" at all.  People have hobbies.  If I were a millionaire, I'd be driving a $200,000 Shelby GT 500, so it's all relative.

As a computing platform, I simply don't see any "payback" for spending that kind of money for a machine that (quite possibly) has no market, and will never get out of the hobby arena (and yes, I'm grouping the A1 into that as well).

If you want an ODW and can afford it, go for it.  The temporary price of $799 is a hell of a lot better than the normal $1300, and a step in the right direction, but *to me* both the Pegasos and  A1 are still $399 machines at best.

You've got your opinion, I've got mine.  No worries there.

Wayne