Guru Meditation Offers AmigaOne XE Repairs

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@seer,

At this point, everyone seems to be filled with "cynicism" (some would call it {bleep}) regarding the Amiga situation.  After 5 (I would say years of letdowns and broken promises, a certain amount of skepticism is perfectly reasonable and expectable.

Keep in mind though that some (like "Amiga"Zeux members) are being bribed with free machines to perform "guerilla marketing" tactics for the Pegasos platform.  As such, anything that those particular people -- including KennyR -- have to say can and should be taken in the correct pretense of supporting their own platform while condemning everything else.  Relax, because I would say the same about anyone who receives free AmigaOne hardware then starts attacking Pegasos users on public forums.

Indeed according to posts elsewhere, (at least some) AmigaZeux members have been essentially paid in hardware by Genesi to troll by negativity and anyone who dares to say differently is -- according to them -- obviously just a "stupid Amiga Inc cheerleader".  

The fact that MorphOS took a strong hit recently (it's not dead, but definitely lying on the mat following a strong uppercut) simply makes their need to strike out against AmigaOne supporters that much stronger.  Now pathetically for some, the Amiga situation has become a game of "if MorphOS doesn't survive, it's my mission to make sure that AmigaOS doesn't survive either".

Let me be very clear.  I hate this.  I hate the fact that MorphOS has fallen victim to the Genesi curse.  Having used MorphOS, it was a very cool alternative to the classic Amiga and while I personally have very serious problems with BBRV, I *hate* seeing the programmers (many of whom I personally consider friends) suffer.  Every member of the MorphOS team that I know worked very long and very hard to reach the light at the end of the tunnel, only to be met by an oncoming train.

That doesn't excuse the new wave of "anti-Amiga" trolling launched by those community members who're simply bitter over the MorphOS situation.

Wayne

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As for my response to KennyR, lots of people say "everybody" on AW is only Pro Amiga and nothing bad can be said about Amiga / Eyetech / Hyperion or you're a blue troll. Clearly, this is not true.

Most of the people involved are being a bit childish and refuse to accept that there are some people (like myself) who strongly believed that both solutions were cool in their own ways.  Indeed, if you read the posts of some, such as Kenny Richardson and his counterpart Mike Bouma, they practice a level of... let's call it marketing.. where "if you're not 100% on my side, you are my enemy".  A stupid presumption at best.

Both solutions are cool in their own ways.  Both have had the same problems, and both are currently trying to survive.  This "war" is stupid and the sooner that the extremists in our midst realize that, the sooner both solutions can move forward.

Strangely enough, NOW is the time that ALL egos need to be set aside to work towards the future.  Looking at some people's net activity however, it's readily apparent that they think their own ego and "redvsblueism" is the only thing they have left to cling to.

Wayne

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I for one hope that MOS stays afloat. It may not get official (kernel) updates, but who knows. OpenMOS anyone ?

MOS isn't dead, it's just in a new coccoon morphing again..

Wayne

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not trying to sling mud.  I'm just trying to make sure that everyone realizes that not everyone here is standing in the open when throwing snowballs.  While some are heroically standing in the open field lobbing snow grenades.  Others are specifically trying to cower behind walls and attack the other "side" from the safety of their own foxholes.

Only if everyone is out in the open will we see why the war is happening in the first place.

Wayne

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@seer,

Not sure what (or who)you mean here.

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Gee, Nothing to say here I guess.

As expected, anyone who speaks out against the Guerilla Marketing arm of Genesi is shouted down as "stupid" and "moronic".

I had more to add, but what's the point.  You and your cronies have already decided that no matter what is said, everyone else is wrong, so whether or not you "no longer feel like being part of it" is irrelevant.  If you don't want to be here, please.  Don't.  Just take KennyR and the rest of the gang with you.  MorphZone is begging for your input.

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Mister Richardson,

I have every right to say anything I damned well please.  See the name on the WHOIS lookup.  It ain't yours, so as I've said to you before, if you don't like it, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.  end of story.

Only difference is, I've admitted my mistakes, you're still denying yours.

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To Guru Meditation and the starters of this thread,

I apologize for going off-tangent.  I'm very happy to see SOMEONE stepping up to address the problems.

I am just sick of the hidden agendas and trolling by negativity from particular members of this thread.  I personally would rather be the sole visitor to this site than to let them continue to use Amiga.org to slam everything except their chosen choice.

Maybe if we can make them understand the damage being done, they'll just go away and leave this site to the real Amiga users who actually want to be here.  Generalizing, sure.  Whatever.  The parable of a duck comes to mind.

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Sounds good.  BTW Chris, feel free to mod me any time you need to.  I have strong opinions and sometimes they go astray just like everyone else.  I'm a very emotional person right now, and I tend to  laser-light my targets too easily.  I just want the stupid trolling by negativity to stop.  If you're not a fan of something, and you're not going to buy one, then shut the hell up and let people discuss it who want to.  

As a mod, you can take any action you feel is necessary.

Wayne

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@Morley,

Couldn't have said it better myself, though I wish I had.  Thank you.

While I hope for the best, there is no future for an Amiga community following either platform at the current time, especially since they simply can't get along.  

As such, I'm sincerely thinking about ripping down the whole site  and rewriting it as merely a place to come and find information about the Classic Amiga.  Maybe then we can just ignore the Boumas and Richardsons who have continually demonstrated their determination and willingness to destroy what's left of already microscopic community.

Wayne

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Group C - Those who don't care whether or not Eyetech, Hyperion, Genesi, bPlan et al survive at all, but are absolutely fracking sick to death of hearing people {bleep} and whine about the same problems that have been documented for three years or more.

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POTATO !!!

I think that pretty much sums it up.

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I agree, and I apologize to all involved whom I might have offended in this thread.  

Whether or not I'm even partially justified in my now-extreme frustration is irrelevant.  The "Amiga situation" is pretty much frustrating for everyone in every direction.  In my case, the frustration is compounded by personal issues as well as the continued trolling and abuse by certain members of the site, as well as the different perspectives held by different people.

I also perhaps perceive MorphOS supporters as being on the defensive since Genesi dropped MorphOS where such a stance might not exist for certain individuals.  I really guess I should stop reading the other troll-guided "Amiga" sites because it really, really upsets me on a personal level to see former friends moronically tearing each other apart in a stupid "us versus them" war.

There is no way to "force" everyone to behave like the Amiga community of 1989, and I just need to give up the ideals that anyone can (or even should) agree on the issues involved here.

Just think about this (as I promise I will try to in the future) before posting.  Every one of the companies involved has serious problems.  All of them.  In most cases, the problems experienced by each company are even very similar to the others (no money, no market).  Amiga Inc?  Logistically bankrupt.  Genesi?  Logistically bankrupt.  Eyetech's board?  problematic.  MorphOS? homeless.  I could continue, but why?  Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to start a fight here.  My only point is that these problems DO exist, if only in perception.

As such, since all known problems have been on the table for years now -- even if some of them are just coming to public light -- is there any real reason to continue dredging up all the crap of the past?

Neither AI(KMOS)/Eyetech/Hyperion or Genesi/bPlan/MOS-team will succeed if we don't stop trying to rabidly defend them by beating up on the "other" side.  Wherein I think I got confused was that I was trying to force people to stop slamming either group, but that came (falsely) across as "blindly defending Eyetech".

Let me say something, and try to be as clear about it as possible.  I don't "support" any of the companies involved.  I hope all are successful, but there will be winners and there will be losers.  My best hope is that everyone involved will drop the ego-driven {bleep} and work together to create a cheap, standardized computer for everyone.  Since I have a better chance of selling ice cream cones in Hell, I guess there's really no chance of that happening.  Sad really...

In the last few weeks due to problems in my own life, I have seemingly forgotten the first rule, and that is to try and understand as well as respect different perspectives of the site's members.  For that, I apologize.

Wayne

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Try posting any Amiga related story on slashdot.. See what happens

Hell.  Try posting a Linux story on slashdot.. See what happens...

There are simply some places -- and I'm sorry to say that due to my own actions, this site may have seemed like one recently -- where it's not worth going.

Wayne

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Joanna,

To be perfectly honest, you hadn't even crossed my mind, nor had I even realized you're posted.

Wayne