Interview with KMOS CEO Garry Hare (25 Mar 04)

[System]

Good interview.  Well done.  Interesting but relieving to hear the business card explanation.  

I have no qualms at believing this, as it's exactly what I've thought (and said) for quite a while...  While he was not with CEO of Amiga Inc, he at least for one show, represented himself to others as the CEO of Amiga Inc. (at least on cardstock).

In was inarguable to me that the card I held in my hand was "real" (as opposed to a Photoshop creation), but he did a great job of explaining it and I think this -- along with the entire interview -- will go a long way towards repairing the rift in the current Amiga community.

Now, it worries me that he is doing AmigaOS for "one customer" (is that Amiga Inc, Hyperion, or Eyetech) as opposed to the mass market, but after years of putting up with this community, I think you guys have just made me paranoid as hell..  

Thanks Garry.  Best of luck.

[System]

@T_Bone.

There will always be "those" who don't understand or accept that which doesn't fall into their narrow-minded views.  Some times, each of us is one of "those".  I'm just hoping with the official explanation that we can finally close that chapter in this soap opera and move onto another story line.

The writing on this soap opera is rivalling Days of Our Lives, and I should know.  Having this time on my hands has made me an addict.

Wayne

[System]

Vincent,

I don't believe anyone said that exactly.  It's certainly Bill Buck's fault that "the business card incident" was blown to such proportions, and I will openly admit and apologize for the fact that I was played as a pawn in respect to the card fiasco (though I did have the card for a short while).  

I won't even try to defend Buck on it, but at least on my part, I can only apologize and hope that everyone understands that we all make mistakes.  In perspective, it's very easy when you're already at odds with one side of the equation to accept the story presented by the other side.

The fact still remains that Garry DID hand them out, so he is at least partly responsible for the situation hence it's not 100% Bill Buck's fault.  More than likely that Garry was simply unaware of the implications that handing out such a business card would create within the conspiracy mindedness of this community.  

Conversely, Buck -- being the PR pusher that he is -- saw this as another way to seperate the community and drive people towards the Pegasos.  In that, he succeeded, no matter the long-term "losses".

Garry even so much as said he really had no idea about the Amiga community until recently..  I only hope after such a seemingly open and honorable interview that we don't corrupt him as we seem to have done with everyone else involved.

Wayne

[System]

We corrupt them?

I certainly believe that we (the community) cause distraction which doesn't help.  Look how tightly wound Gary, Ray, and a couple of others are into watching everything we type...  :-)

Wayne

[System]

Don't twitch.  No need.  Just watch and have fun.

[System]

@Kenny,

Despite how things may look, I'm not taking any side here.  There are very rudimentary problems with both Amiga Inc and Genesi, and I am not white washing or trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes here.

I can however state unequivocably that BBRV have both commonly called many people "idiots".  It is, in fact, one of their favorite words apparently.

This is no different than certain other people from Amiga Inc jumping into threads any time their name is mentioned to defend themselves by calling everyone else "liars".

Face it, where the professional leaves off, the person takes up, and people (beyond professionalism) say and do stupid things regardless of their "color".

Wayne

[System]

@Bhoggett,

That too worries me.  The timing of the sale (after Amiga Inc already had existing judgements standing against them) but that is a part of the soap opera that both you and I can only sit back and watch (thanks to Rich and Sam).

What do you think for a title?

"As the boing bounces"?

Hey, at least it'll make a good title for my next editorial.

[System]

Really ? Compared to Fleecy's and Bill Buck's postings this was a very open and informative interview, IMHO

Agreed.  I make no assumptions (maybe I'm learning) about the.. erm.. level of honesty(?) contained therein -- everyone has their own perspective -- but it's nice to be told in what seems to be a forthright way exactly what's going on.

[System]

{rant alert} -- don't read below if you're squeamish.



That's it....  I'm done.  I'm out...  I'm not playing any more....

Ya know?  Watching all this is like watching two fat kids fight over a dry-rotted basketball.  You don't really want to watch either fat kid play basketball, but the fight's kinda amusing.

In this case -- from transcripts and all other  accounts -- both parties have acted very much like children, both have lied in court (or at the very least been a little creative with the truth), and I honestly don't really care any more which "company" "wins" the lawsuit lotto for the remains of the long-dead horse.  This has become a lawsuit of egos, and stupidity nothing more.

 Who would have thought that this {bleep} between now at least three questionably honorable companies would be even more attractive as a past time than the Amiga computer itself ever was?

After re-reading the interview, comparing facts and dates from ALL the available documentation, then assimilating it all, I can safely say that the only thing they've accomplished with any success is that a great number of people here have lost interest in EITHER solution.

So, with that being said, I digress from commenting further. Someone wake me up when it's time to turn out the lights and go home.  You can find me at http://spookychick.com hanging out with the wife and a few friends, talking about horrible things.

[System]

Guys?

This is rediculous.  He might have been a little naive as to the extent of paranoia in this community, but no *law* was broken by Garry Hare handing out a falsified business card, regardless of the information contained therein.  If there was, please define it for me here, in United States law so that I might better research this issue.

Wayne

[System]

Ah - but wasn't Wayne claiming it to be a 'genuine' card in ALL particulars rather then allowing for the possibility of it being an 'example' card?

No, but it's clearly convenient of your memory to think of it that way.  

I stated, from the beginning, that I personally did not know whether or not he was actually CEO of Amiga Inc, but that he did -- at least on one occassion present himself as such to the public.  He did -- as publicly stated now -- hand out cards stating it as fact.  It was, in fact, a "genuine card".

I was defending against those who slammed me for stating that the card was a real card (as opposed to the photoshopped {bleep} that certain people claimed).  For this, I was called a liar and have had to put up with months of character assassination.

[System]

@Bill,

Yeah, I know, damned if I don't...

If anything, what I want EVERYONE here to understand with perfect clarity is this;

Things are not nearly as crystal clear as people are wanting to believe.  There is deception all around us, and I'm not talking about the paranoia aspect.  Here we have a situation that was blown completely out of proportion by the community (spearheaded by Bill Buck) which -- 1+ year later -- we're finally learning that the truth is actually somewhere in the middle.

Was it a real card?  Yes.

Was it valid? No.

Did he hand them out?  Yes.

Was he CEO of Amiga Inc?  No.

Did he have what could be considered a decent reason for handing them out?  Maybe.

etcetera....

So in the end, everyone is right, and everyone is wrong.  The only people who have "won" in this situation are those who haven't bothered to pay attention in the first place.

[System]

@vorteaux

While not intending to make this personal, your reply is very indicative of EXACTLY what's wrong with this community.  Too many people having pedantic little opinions without knowing or bothering to understand the reality of the situation.

- Hare created false cards.  True.
- Hare handed them out to individuals.  True.
- Those individuals are part of "the public".  True.

THEREFORE, he handed those cards out to the public, representing himself as the CEO of Amiga Inc.  Inarguable.  Stop trying.

Now.  What *is* debatable is whether or not he gave a disclaimer to every individual that received a card.  I'm not questioning the man's honesty, but it would be very difficult to distinctly remember every word to every individual card receiver.

Like I said, you're wrong, I'm wrong, everyone is right in some form of conclusion.  Now, what was your point, other than trying to prolong the argument by picking apart someone else's comment?

[System]

Edit by Moderator:  Line Removed - Personal Attack

I'm no longer interested in discussing this [moderated] attempt to keep the blown proportion of this situation expanding.  

Have a nice -- or suitably your choice -- day.

[System]

@T_Bone

Let it be.  There are those here who aren't interested in reality or logic, they just want to argue...