AmigaUpdate, Objectivity Lost.

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The sad ramblings of a bitter old man...

... it makes you want to cry at how low people will go to defend their "faith".

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YAY KENNYR!!!!

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Well.. I could, but it'd be subject to my potty mouth

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@Pixie

His road

Jay Miner was an extraordinary visionary.  None of us doubt the contributions that he and his original team made to both computing and society as a whole.  He was one of a kind, but he was not God.  I may not be a strictly religious man, but even I know the difference here.

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Ladies and Gentlemen...  Friends...

In this particular issue, I must impose my now-retired Amiga.org persona and point out that two wrongs don't make a right.

Brad Webb was wrong in misusing his position as a respected "journalist" in this community to promote his own overt opinions.  That much is plain to see as a lot of you who are now slamming Dave have openly admitted.  While you may or may not be able to overlook it, Brad's comments are certainly no worse than those of some "defenders" (is that term less objectionable than "cheerleader"?) we have had to contend with in this community for a while now.

On the other hand, and I say this with all due respect to Dave Crawford and the rest of the Amiga.org staff (who are otherwise doing a fabulous job), Dave (aka Targhan) -- IMHO -- stepped over a thin line with posting his opinion as a news article on the site.    A forum post would have been warranted.  A post of Brad's article with Dave's comments as the first would have been warranted.  A news article it is not.

In that particular way, Dave lost a little bit of his own unbiased view, and to those of you whom he offended, I ask that you step back and realize how truly "offensive" Brad's biased viewpoint is to those who are proverbially slaving away to give classic Amiga owners a real alternative for the future.

So, who is really wrong in this situation?  The man who said it?  Or perhaps the man who retorted?  I suppose this is an instance where I could just as easily said "neither.... or both..."

Initially, as I checked my messages late this evening, I thought to close the thread here.  Xoops doesn't allow that, so I thought to simply remove the item altogether but that would kill 90 posts and not be taken well by either "side".  

Humorously, I remembered that neither is strictly my "job" any more, and I hate to go all Rodney King on you, but I leave you with one comment.

This community has survived 8 years without Commodore.  This community has survived 3 years of Amiga Inc.  We have grown up together, we have all had good moments and bad.  Now that there are good things happening for the community by way of several available alternative options, it is radicalism and closed-mindedness which is destroying the community that WE built.  (NOT Commodore.  Not Amiga International, NOT Escom, NOT Amiga Inc., and NOT Genesi).  Closed-mindedness is NOT what the Amiga has ever been about.  Quite the contrary.

If we don't stop the bullshit and start getting along, there will be nothing left worth fighting over.  While it's cool to have a preference, let the products do the talking, not the religion.

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@amigaguy,

Sigh.... Some of you just can't understand tact, can you?

Now you make him change it back?

Make who change what back?  I've asked for no changes.  I *DID* go against my retirement (since most of the staff are still training) and move the article back into the announcements category because the current staff didn't realize the amount of customization which has gone into the site.  Creating a new category for editorials BROKE the news display, hence the black on dark gray news header....

The current staff and I instead have been able to figure out a compromise which should suit everyone, but I doubt it since some people just can't breathe without bitching.    :-D

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I agree with amigaupdate. I think that to break into fragments such a small market is not good, and to the one that he doesn't like my opinion that he/she drinks water.  
It already tires a little this of the morphos and pegasos.
 aros? I prefers to wait the os5 (at the 2015 I calculate) that amiga will run in the wintel, amd, etc...... Because of that it treats Aros?
 
Amiga inc. it is the one that has give a new Amiga again, and that it is the only reality.

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" They only gave permission and Eyetech-Hyperion
done the rest. "



correct, I know that hyperion/Eyetech is those that make it.    
   
But let us say that Amiga Inc. is the one that impels the project and it grants licenses, this is this way.    
   
As for the AmigaOne, this is already a reality, only awaiting the os4 that I don't believe that nobody already doubts that it will leave.

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There is very good reason why Brad Webb is being "attacked" here, but no good reason why he has to "attack" MorphOS or Genesi.

He quotes "we" but this is obviously a personal opinion of the most blatant type. "We" might mean "AmigaUpdate", but his own "staff" Joanne, who wrote that article, had nothing but praise for us.

The big news that "my kid loaned out the PPC card that OS4 ran on" kind of takes the stance that he wants it known and wants some fame out of it.

So what? Now you're holding the PPC card that ran OS4 at Amiwest. So? We have 4 machines that were at Amiwest running MorphOS. That's 3 more machines than you have PPC cards, Brad.

*sigh*

Brad is just going out for bragging rights. He's in the Amiga/Hyperion good books now, and wants to make it know that he's the Saviour Of The Show as far as Amiga's presence is concerned.

Given that the show was Genesi, ImageFX running on MorphOS, a guy with Globes, and Jeri with the COne..  none of which are "related by blood" to Amiga.. and not much else besides a few tables littered with decrepit Amiga hardware, I don't see what the show was going to be WITHOUT Genesi to fill up the whole side of a room, and providing Kermit an OS with some performance behind it!

It's sick that Brad said those things not because I'm employed by Genesi, not because Targhan or Wayne is employed by Genesi, it's because he says that we're fragmenting the Community, where just being faithful in Amiga would.. I dunno, save it maybe, by his definition.

Well, with people moving to MorphOS, we *are* reducing the Amiga Community, that's true. We're making them the MorphOS community.

Why are they moving? Well, it's not because we bribed them, or because we practice mind control and subliminal messaging, it's because we have a product out there that meets expectations, it's cheap, it's fun, it's everything that Amiga haven't produced in the last 5 years.

So if the Amiga Community whittles down to 35 fanboys on a secret mailing list, with Fleecy ordering around PPC cards for shows, so be it: MorphOS will thrive on, and the spirit will follow us, and not because we did ANYTHING dastardly other than produce what everyone wanted.

Sorry Brad, but if people want to use MorphOS, then they'll use MorphOS. No amount of positioning yourself or your son as Jesus, and no amount of decrying us will sway people who see us as the only shipping and active proponents of the Amiga philosophy.

When Hyperion have a real OS on the shelves that runs on hardware built this Millennium, and Eyetech can provide more than 10 machines a week on a 6-month waiting list, then you can bash us all you like.

When, and only if...

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When we do produce machines, we have been and will be doing them at the rate of hundreds a week. We don't have lead time waiting for boards to come from Taiwan. We don't have a deadline for testing them. We can flow through a production run with efficiency and grace. We control the machines, we control the sourcing of parts, we control the design..

We successfully put out an OS update this week, a quite comprehensive software package the week before... a software package which includes most of the apps that users want or need, including Games, Paint, Office apps (soon!), CD Burners (next update , video hardware support...

We even did really well at Amiwest in the eyes of people including Ben Hermans. If Bill McEwen were there he would have come away impressed too, I can guarantee that.

We talked and demonstrated to a lot of people who didn't really know what MorphOS was about, including Joe Torre, who was amazed (and relieved that we could run Amiga software and used all the same ideologies..

We're turning heads, and not just the small people.

And we have the resources to turn more heads, produce more machines, and develop better technologies, for more markets than a bunch of snidey Brad-style fanboys could ever dream about.

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@redrumloa:

The label here is well placed and well glued.

"I don't know why anyone would want to ruin the Amiga market by releasing products!"

.. snidey, whiney fanboys.