Microsoft game pack in COMPUSA national flier.

[System]

Onno,

You have a point.  As such, I thank you for your calm, logical input.

I have proof, I am getting more.  The truth will come out whether they want it to or not.  There is no more reason for me to say anything here, except due to my outright frustration with them.  If you're pleased with them, that's your deal.  Your mileage obviously varies.

In regards to Ray or Fleecy calling people names, you might need to look around a bit closer.  Since we allow message editing, I'm having trouble locating a few of the known examples on our site, but they are out there.

[System]

Why the delay??

Because quite simply stated, not everything that I have requested is in my possession at this time.  I've seen them, I know they are true, I just do not have the physical hard copies in my possession yet to present to the Amiga community.

[System]

I'm not insulted, and yes, I am very certain of my sources.  Those sources will be presented soon as I receive them in my hand.

I'm not going to say any more here.  There is, as ohno pointed out, no need to SAY anything more.

[System]

This still is not enough for you Wayne, now you are going to AmiWest to make a rukus?

I am going there to tell the truth.  If that makes me a disciple of any kind, then fine.  It doesn't matter what you think.  It's not about me.  It's not about Bill Buck.  It's not about Genesi.  This is about the truth.  

The Amiga community is owed nothing less than the truth and if I have to be "nailed to the cross" to get it, so be it.

[System]

@Amigaguy

You take me far too literally, but I -- like most people who try to expose the truth -- am feeling rather crucified in this situation.

[System]

Not only the distribution, but the APIs used in the game have been developed by Amiga Inc - and we're talking about a lot of APIs (see fleecy's earlier comment)! Obviously, some people are prepared to ignore this fact and criticise amiga inc and call them redundant anyway - but there's no change there as per usual!

The problem is that its very hard for US regular non developers to get any info... Amiga INC arent saying anything to the average joe, so its very hard for us to know whats going on behind the scenes.. To me who isnt a AA developer, it seems like the project is buried.

Actually it can be pretty hard for developers to get info too.  I signed the NDA straight away, figured I might sign an SDA later on if/when I needed extra support or when my project was nearer to completion when I would decide whether I should also sell out to MS to make some $.

If I had known about these API's being available to SDA developers I would have made that decision a lot sooner and may have saved a lot of time.

Signing that SDA isn't something that all of us take in their stride and more information needs to be made available for developers on amigadev.net.  I've had to spend a lot of time scouring the web, subscribing to lists and reading many different forums just to pick up a few tidbits..  Luckily I recently stumbled upon a link on some 3rd party site to  the #developer channel that I had searched for and failed to find earlier on all the popular irc networks so I no longer feel like I'm going at it alone.  (it's on irc.reefer.org btw)

[System]

so amigaguy you think wayne and others should keep quiet while (possibly) lies are bieng told to us and us grownups (without knowledge of situation wich would make us change our minds quite possibly) go on believeing Bill is the CEO, and their 'on schedule and rockin' as they said?... I for one want all the facts of this situation available so I can make an informed descision... I've seen the evasive answers to questions posed to amiga.inc employees.. I want to see MORE then amiga.inc's side of this story... I think most of us do who have a brain left...

I for one dont trust Amiga.inc and in my eyes they have massively devaluated the Amiga name... 2 years ago I wanted my Pegasos to say 'Amiga' and run 'AmigaOS'... not I want my pegasos to stay a Pegasos and run MorphOS... I believe what I read about them as It appears to be backed up by good sources... e.g when asked about CEO situation they failed to answer non-evasive (makes me think the other side is telling the truth), the evasive answers to the t-shirt/coupon deal, the whole thing with bolton peck... the list goes on... to me if 1% is true its pathetic... Its my two cents on the issue.. thats all

(the above is my OPINON not a fact)

[System]

the evidence we've seen so far when subjectively viewed by the community convinces at least some already... myself included... you might ask 'what evidence?"  I say to that and this is in my opinon of course... since this is subjective... \

the evasiveness of Ray when I asked him the simple question to the effect of 'did bill write/convey bills update?"  he was evasive to that...

the business card

the (unconfirmed) story of Bolton Peck

the T-shirt/coupon situation...

these all combine in my mind to be enough proof to at a minimum tell me 'their is something wrong with this picture'

I think when we see all the evidence presented things will be alot better all around...

@Wayne

start the bidding on the business card at 25$ ...  because if someone dosent pay more I'll buy it I think you should put a piece of paper under the card and get some signatures on it for nostalgia...

[System]

Answers to the rest will just have to wait until Amiga's ducks (both legal and corporate) are all in a row and then you'll see resolution and announcements to resolve them. That's all I can say about it at this time.

Wow.  I must be getting paranoid in my old age, because I see this as a threat.