Microsoft game pack in COMPUSA national flier.

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I do not mean to be negative here.  It's good to see they "got something out".  I don't however see anything being sold as an Amiga product, only the word Amiga on one of the games in the Microsoft product.

That means that Microsoft gets 90% of the money from the sale.  Out of the remaining 10% of a 29.95 product, I would doubt that the author gets even one single dollar for his game  :-(  

If this is the case, I hope Microsoft sells lots of them, if for no other reason than to pay the author for the game.

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I'm beginning to wonder, in order to get paid, if software authors for the game packs ought to just go straight to Microsoft and cut out the middle man.

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@amimonkey

I am *NOT* trying to start anything.  I hope Microsoft sells bunches of them, as it demonstrates there is a market for such things.  It also helps get the authors of the actual games paid.  Both of which I am very much for.  

I do not however understand why the game authors don't go to Microsoft directly instead of giving 70% of their "$3.00" from the sales to Amiga Inc who have done absolutely nothing in this example except put their name on TAO's product.

I don't say this with any hidden animosity, I simply cannot see the logic in this case.  If Amiga software authors can write software and make money selling it through Microsoft, very cool.  Amiga software authors deserve support, but exactly how, and exactly WHY is Amiga Inc getting (what I recall to be when I signed up as a developer) 70% of that already small percentage of money from the sale is a bit beyond my particular understanding.

If you are offended by my lack of understanding, I apologize, but please feel free to calmly and LOGICALLY explain it to me.

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Amiga can co-ordinate it all.

but they don't.  This is a Microsoft product and if you think that Amiga Inc is allowed more than a "here's what we have", then that would be a very unique situation with Microsoft..

Plus they provide the forums and people for support. You belong to that community and you get help.

 Where would this be?  Their forums aren't well attended and TAO supports their own product.

Also, I think it would be very difficult for individuals to approach Microsoft.........

Not at all.  Have a product that Microsoft wants, they'll talk to you whether you're a janitor or a superstar.  They're interested in making money.    How do you think that Blue Ribbon ended up in their hands?

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Like I said, it's a good thing that they got SOMETHING out.  I just don't understand why Microsoft doesn't just set up a department to work with TAO to write the stuff.

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This nags me: "Manufacturer: Microsoft"

Just a guess, but because they wrote it, manufactured it, licensed it, packaged it, and are selling it?

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@quiesce

If I'm wrong, I apologize.  

To be honest, I've never considered DE as Amiga-related, so I haven't really paid enough attention to bother.  I have no need for a Wince machine.

As I also said, I am very glad that there's a possibility that you guys will be getting paid.  I'm all for it.

What pisses me off more than anything is Bill McEwen and "Fleecy Moss" consistent and intentional inability to support the community.

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HMetal name some community forums/etc that are here because of amiga.inc (make like you're pointing us where to get support)

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The argument that 'AmigaDE is not an Amiga' does not hold up here

so if I spend my money to get AmigaDE then I can run classic amiga apps/games/etc all from within DE? I can run DE on my Amiga? or do I need a PC to run DE? or what?... gimme the rundown on that one...from where I'm sitting AmigaDE is a piece of PDA software with the Amiga name on it... and nothing more... perhaps I'm wrong???

I will accept that they -lied- occasionally

to me thats unacceptable...

I am amazed by Bill McEwen's inability to foretell things accurately

hah

Bill McEwen stated that OS4 should be ready in a few months. WHAT. What on earth could possess him to say such a thing?

wanted to look cool??!?!??!? I honestly dont know...but since fleecy is posting here perhaps he can explain this...

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In its current state it only exists for PDA's, Windows and Linux, but I'm sure you're not so naive as to not realise it is still in development.

yes its obviousely still in development... but above you  claimed that  the argument that its  'AmigaDE is not an Amiga' dosent hold water ... well I ask 'what makes it an amiga' besides the name then?... surely you can even answer this question?

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Ray,

{edit: nevermind... I cannot be arsed with you and "Fleecy's" lies any longer.  The truth is coming.}

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You always used to do so some time ago

"Some Time ago" I wasn't continually lied to, threatened by and schemed against by "Fleecy" and the likes of Mike Bouma and others.  Well that's not entirely true.  I've consistently been lied to by "Fleecy" since 1997.  When confronted with this, including times, locations, and subjects, he says simply that it's his job to "market speak", and he learned that lesson when he was "canned by Schindler".

I for one am completely sick of the half-truths, hot air (aka real soon now promises) and outright bullshit from Amiga Inc.  As such, I will do anything I can to unveil the truth in this situation for everyone involved.  If the Amiga Inc followers don't like the truth, that's neither my fault, nor my problem.

As a start, I intend to matt, frame, and auction off the business card which "does not exist" at AmiWest.  100% of the proceeds going to Bolton Peck and his family (pending his agreement). There will also be several things I'll be handing out there which will provide irrefutable proof of the facts in this situation.

Again, the truth is coming.  Amiga Inc's only remaining choice is the messenger.  Them, or me.

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you're making me wanna order as many cam subs as I can afford

You go right ahead and do so.  I'm sure that Bolton would appreciate being paid.

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Onno,

You have a point.  As such, I thank you for your calm, logical input.

I have proof, I am getting more.  The truth will come out whether they want it to or not.  There is no more reason for me to say anything here, except due to my outright frustration with them.  If you're pleased with them, that's your deal.  Your mileage obviously varies.

In regards to Ray or Fleecy calling people names, you might need to look around a bit closer.  Since we allow message editing, I'm having trouble locating a few of the known examples on our site, but they are out there.

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Why the delay??

Because quite simply stated, not everything that I have requested is in my possession at this time.  I've seen them, I know they are true, I just do not have the physical hard copies in my possession yet to present to the Amiga community.