Fleecy Moss Q&A Week 4

[System]

@dammy,

I agree.  No more of them will be posted as news.  

@everyone else

I see absolutely no real answers to anything here.  This is just "Fleecy's" feeble attempt at destroying Amiga.org's popularity by spewing incredibly vague "answers" on another site to products that Amiga Inc has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with.  

At least I know he'll have a safe future as 1-900-mr.-cleo once Amiga Inc admits they're dead-ended and out of money.  

Then again, having heard substantial rumors lately of bank accounts closed and other interesting oddities, maybe they already have and news simply hasn't reached "Fleecy".

For the record, if you MUST post these in the future, please do it as a Forum post where it is most appropriate.  Use the topic title "Fleecy's Fluff, week number #" if you will.

Wayne Hunt
Amiga.org

[System]

Typical sour grapes.

Nothing about Amiga Inc is typical, unless you're comparing the management of the company to Commodore.

Why is it not news if it's not what you want to hear when you want to hear it?

It isn't news, because it's non-substantial "fluff".  

There isn't a single new answer or "concept" in his interviews which hasn't already been discussed to death.  There are also no answer outside of "this is what we'd like to do if we were actually doing anything."

This is nothing more than marketing, and trying to satisfy those of you who want to hear from them even though they have absolutely nothing to say.  

The origins of the entire situation go back to a scheme between certain cheerleaders and Fleecy to divide this community into those who support Amiga Inc blindly and those who actually look at the world around them before giving out free "faith".

It's a very typical tactic to divide a community to discover who your absolute supporters are.  Once that's done, you can use the absolute supporters to champion your cause without bothering to pay or otherwise support them.  

(The concept comes from Sun Tsu's "Art of War" though I don't recall the actual passage.)

It is a demonstrated and proven fact that Amiga Inc wants to use the community to champion their cause and wave the Amiga flag FAR more than they want to support the community.

[System]

@Jose,

We have no interest in altering the way that news is posted here.  The "Fleecy Fluff weekly" isn't our idea of news however.  It's Fleecy making up very vague answers to very simple questions about things he has NO idea on, as screened by their head cheerleader, Mike Bouma.

As such, the only change I've recommended is that future "editions" of the "Fleecy Fluff weekly" be posted as forum topics, NOT news, because it isn't news.

[System]

You accuse them of "splitting the community", be careful not to take part in splitting it. Rather demonstrate that you're not interested in playing silly games like that.

I need to convey a message, and I need it to be absolutely clear.  I have NOTHING against either AmigaWorld.net or it's Webmaster, DaveyD.  Davey and I seem to get along just fine, despite pressure by a couple of AW's members to play "site versus site" politics to try and drive their barely hidden agendas.

It's up to your readers to decide that, don't you think so?

Yes.... and No....  If this were real news, with real answers I would be amongst the first to post it.  

Fleecy "fluffing" the community isn't interesting and only serves to divide the community even more.  

Seriously.  Read all the prepared questions, read all the evasions, vague answers, and 1/2 truths given by Fleecy over the last 4 weeks and tell me it actually has a purpose.  

I am not suggesting that it be precluded from the site, simply that it should be moved to the forums, as -- in the opinions of the staff -- it is not "news".

[System]

Are you saying that you are feeling betrayed somehow that fleecy is posting his answers to amigaworld.net and not to amiga.org?

To jump in from my own perspective, not at all.  If Fleecy actually had something to say, that's one thing.  You are discounting the FACT that the only reason he is saying ANYTHING right now is that he wanted to work with Mike Bouma/Luca Diana/(ACCM?) to try and undermine Amiga.org and snag it's more zealotous members for their own use.  I say "use" because from first-hand experience, that is the ONLY thing that Amiga Inc wants from any member of this community.  Mike Bouma and others are simply to naive to understand that fact yet.

Fleecy, in fact, has said nothing interesting that we have not heard repeatedly for the past 3 years.  

-- They are broke.  We get it.
-- It's everyone's fault but theirs.  We don't believe it, but we got it.
-- They have nothing to do with AmigaOS.  Got it.
-- They have nothing to do with AmigaOne. Got it.
-- They have no real plans for software support. Got it.
-- They have no real plans for selling the desktop outside the community.  Got it.
-- Fleecy knows a lot of big buzz words.  Got it.

As such, I admit that I'm peeved that ANYONE is listening to what Fleecy has to say about ANYTHING except *possibly* DE/AA.  What DE/AA has to do with the Amiga platform, and why it even remotely interests classic Amiga users, I cannot fathom.

I didn't even suggest that it shouldn't be covered here, but it is much more applicable as a forum post than a new item.

But that's just me. You'll note that it does not affect my standpoint on anything else at this site.  ALL ALTERNATIVES to the classic Amiga platform should be considered, as we are all classic Amiga platform users.

[System]

But if this is how you regard the situation, I can understand your aversity.

This isn't how I regard this situation.  This is what copies of e-mails and private messages I have received have marked out in detail.  No.  I will not share the e-mails.  You have "known" me long enough to make a determination of the truth here.

This started long before the "I'm leaving" thread and culminated when I took money from Genesi for a banner (no more, no less) and moved Amiga.org to my own server.   Bouma, Luca Diana, and Fleecy used that moment to start spreading pure lies and bullshit aimed specifically at promoting their own agendas.  They continue to this day.

[System]

yeah this is not news... more nonsense from a nonsense company... they need to deliver some T-Shirts before they do anything else... taking peoples money and not giving product is far from ideal.

[System]

@Alky

Xoops doesn't let you lock a news post and deleting it would create all hell.  Looking through my comments, I do not see myself calling people names or attacking them.  I have, to the best of my knowledge only spoken Facts and my own personal opinions.

If I said "Mike Bouma is an arse" or "Fleecy is an unqualified twit" that might be a difference.  I have said nothing to those effects, simply that Mike and Fleecy (and others) have schemed against this site.  This is true..  It is factual, and from my perspective, not open for debate.  The only question is whether I have served my own best interest by telling the truth in this situation.   I also stated that it is not news.  It should be a forum post as more applicable.  

In what way have I violated my own rules?

[System]

@alky

News posts have no topics.  This means of course, that you are absolutely correct.  I think what steered us off-topic is the initial reasoning that this is not news and only serves as free advert for AW.  I agreed, and each successive post was just a bit more off topic.

[System]

@alky,

That was my original post and the only thing I really wanted people to understand.  It SHOULD be a topic post, not a news post.  I've now said this 5 times. :-)

[System]

I too hope that Wayne will look at his reason of not wanting Fleecy's Q&A linked here

Please.  For the love of all that is holy.  Show me EXACTLY where I said this?  How many times must I clarify that I think it's fine for what it is?  What it is not a news item any more, it's no more than a recurring forum post.

For God's sake people, please read what is posted before replying.  This makes 6 times I've had to say the same thing in 6 different verbages.

[System]

Ummmm. Hondo?

Well thought if not emotional post, but you do realize the fact that Amiga Inc has absolutely zero to do with either AmigaOS or the AmigaOne, right?  

Amiga Inc hasn't "done" anything, except *possibly* writing a few extensions for Tao's Intent product.  

That being said, I openly give credit for their bulldog-level longevity.  It's just too bad they don't realize how badly they've screwed up by intentionally and actively ignoring the community.