Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II

[System]

The first patch that Gerald and Thomas developed works as we know, but there were still bugs

Well, if I remember right (and it's possible that I don't),  isn't this the chip that Genesi was boasting over saying, "we have a fixed chip, and AmigaOne does not"?

Wasn't this the very thing that they were basing thier stability on in the first place?
Then Alan said, "BullCrap, it's not fixed".

Then everyone jumped on Alan and said that he was unprofessional, and throwing fud all around the place?

And now they are scrapping the "fixed chip" because it was not really fixed in the first place?

Just like Alan said?

[System]

(after all, genesi designed the pegasos, tested Articia with it a long time, designed April 1

Which they said was completly fixed.
Only to find out that, in reality, it was not fixed at all.

That's called promotional hype.
Others might call it a straight out lie.

It depends on how you look at it, I reckon.

[System]

@ Warrent

I hope that Eyetech has a better working relationhip with Mai Logic.

Most definitely, stay tuned.   :-D

[System]

I don't trust Bill Buck, never did (since the daysof... what was it?.. Escom?...).

Though I don't know the guy, he allways looked dishonest and shifty to me, like one of those sneeky salesmen in some TV comedies.

And all these posts in the last few months - by him, his company and many of his "followers" - just proved me right, in my mind.

I can only be sorry for those who still trust him, and I'm also sorry for the Pegasos and MorphOS, which could have been a fine solution if they were in some more honest hands.

[System]

@ Jumpship

Peg G3 is better then the A1 G4 please back this up with something.

I find it quite remarkable how most MorphOS supporters simply swallow Buck's FUD directed towards 3rd party products.

However provided the little given detail, it is of course possible that somehow they compared a 350 Mhz G4 with a 800 Mhz G3.  ;-)

[System]

@ Downix

provided someone is willing to lend their A1 to the cause...

I don't believe any beta-tester would be willing to lent you their brand new AmigaOne-XE for this. They have more important things to do, like beta-testing.

However you could ask people like Ron @ Computer City to do some benchmark comparison tests using LinuxPPC (i.e. Debian or SuSE) for both AmigaOneG3-SE and PegasosG3 boards.

I do think it is funny, that you don't first ask BB to do the obvious, backing up his claims with some details.

[System]

Hello Frodon,

Don't speculate that it's not fixed at all. April 1 fix lot of bugs particularly the famous DMA bug and some others

Well, now is really not a good time for you to be preaching MorphOS.
As you can see, there hasn't been people on here in the last couple of days saying, "Haaaaa, MorphOS rulez you".

They must have been a little humbled by the recent news from Genesi.

As far as the fix goes.
BULL CRAP!

They blew the hatch, man.
They screwed the pooch.

And it's strange to me that all this time, you've been away.
But now when people are starting to know what Genesi is all about, here you are again.

Who are you anyway.
Does Bill Buck pay you for your services?

And it's not speculation.
It's fact, btw.

and furthermore...
MorphOS is illegal.

But that never bothered me much anyway, as I don't see it as a real threat.

And don't give me this crap about api this and api that.
That's horse hocky and you know it.


Sorry if I sound rude btw.
I've had 4 hours sleep, my tooth is killing me, and I feel like someone just stepped in me.

So, I'm not being rude.   ;-)

[System]

What, that the fix is useless? Sorry it's not useless

Well pardon me if I choke on my porkchop here, but they are doing away with Pegasos One.
That sounds pretty useless to me.

As far as proving that MorphOS is illegal.
Don't have to.
Everybody with any sense knows it.

You don't need proof.
All you need to know is that it's true.

[System]

Well, actually I don't care what you're sick of, and I don't appreciate you telling me to shut up.

If you can't figure out using common sense that MorphOS is illegal, it is you that needs to shut up.

You people are no better than H&P screwing Bernie.
Bernie had the rights to build Amithlon, Genesi does not have the rights to build from Amiga code.

And I couldn't care any less about the way you feel about me as an intelligent thinker.
I don't need your approval.

[System]

Heh...

I think if someone tried to sue me, they would be in for one heck of a surprise.

 :-o

and furthermore...
I'm not going to be sued over the truth.
Now am I?

[System]

Ok...
Ok...

Let's tone it down a little bit.

Let me make this statement, and you analize it for me.

Either MorphOS is illegal with Amiga code, or MorphOS is an Amiga emulator.

Which will you say is closer to truth?
After all, wouldn't you agree that the makers of MorphOS shouldn't be using amiga code?

[System]

Ok.

Well don't you agree that in order to build an enviornment that acts exactly like another OS, you would actually have to look at origional code in order to understand how that OS works?

If this were not the case, how would you get your enviornment to run all the software that runs on that OS?

[System]

They duplicate a systems API's in order to allow them to run the applications either natively or recompiled

yes.

And how would you duplicate code that you've never looked at?

and also, look up the definition for the word "duplicate".
and also look up the definition for the word "clone".

[System]

@ AmiGR

Amiga Inc COULDN'T!

Nobody at Amiga Inc ever claimed that they could not prove this. Based on the things I know personally, I would have gone the offensive road to protect the Amiga IP, if I owned it.

IMO the Amiga IP (patents, source code, brand, etc) must be aggressively protected. Amiga Inc had their reasons to wait, but IMO this approach is running out of arguments.

Only a court can give a decisive answer.

[System]

The AmigaOS is EXTREMELY well documented.
Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING

indeed.
And it's not legal to build a duplicate of all those things written therein.
Because all those sources that you mentioned have Amiga code all throughout.

They simply use the BeOS Bible and lot of the other developpers documentation of BeOS.

Which also includes source code.

And for that you use the OS includes which are publicly available developpment elements (For Amiga int he Native Development Kits (NDK)). What are there is the OS includes?

Which also includes source code.

Let me say it plainly here.

You cannot duplicate something without knowing what the origional really is.

You cannot duplicate code without knowing what the origional code is.

And to say that using Amiga functions and calls in your OS is not wrong, then what is?