Genesi: Update regarding the change to the Pegasos-II

[System]

The AmigaOS is EXTREMELY well documented.
Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING

indeed.
And it's not legal to build a duplicate of all those things written therein.
Because all those sources that you mentioned have Amiga code all throughout.

They simply use the BeOS Bible and lot of the other developpers documentation of BeOS.

Which also includes source code.

And for that you use the OS includes which are publicly available developpment elements (For Amiga int he Native Development Kits (NDK)). What are there is the OS includes?

Which also includes source code.

Let me say it plainly here.

You cannot duplicate something without knowing what the origional really is.

You cannot duplicate code without knowing what the origional code is.

And to say that using Amiga functions and calls in your OS is not wrong, then what is?

[System]

Oh come on, Amiga In just does NOT have the money to sue

Well said.

And The people that built MorphOS is taking advantage of that.
God forbid if Amiga Inc. ever does come into real money.
If that happens, I don't think we would be having this discussion right now.

[System]

In reality, this is a good example of what a clone would look like without knowing the real code.

Click Here

Run that program and have a look.

When you build an OS that emulates probably just as good as the origional, then something is very fishy indeed.

That's not even mentioning the fact about taking people's ideas, trademarks, and all the rest.

Amiga software was built to run on an Amiga system.
If you "duplicate" an OS to run software that is Amiga only, you have broken the law.

What if you built an OS that would run microsoft word?
Hmmm?

Bill Gates does have money, and he would completly destroy you.

[System]

What do you say Downix?

Huh?

Huh?

What if you built an OS that was able to run microsoft word?

And then you went into mass production with that OS.

What would happen to you as a company?

Huh?

Huh?

[System]

Hah...

I've used wine before, and it's pathetic.
It's nothing more than an emulator.

You say that MorphOS is not an emulator, but a clone OS.

It runs these programs even better than the origional platform.

There's a big difference there Frodon.  ;-)

[System]

Mountain Myst... Will you please stop your hatred campaign? It's pretty childish. I bet in 2 years you will lead such a campaign against Hyperion

Man, I don't hate these people.

Me and Frodon have been discussing Amiga things for a long time, and I don't hate him.

MorphOS does not phase me.

This is just a discussion on what is proper and what is not.

and furthermore...
Hyperion is licensed to do whatever they do by Amiga Inc.

I have no problem with Hyperion.

[System]

Wine does not boot up from the bios.
Wine does not run on it's own.

Linux is the OS, and Wine is an emulator.

What the heck are you saying here?

Wine and MorphOS are so different in application, it's not even funny.

How can you say that Wine is not an emulator.
And how can you say that Wine and MorphOS are the same thing.

Rediculous.

Come on.

[System]

Ok.

I see that this will go on and on.
Enough for me.

But don't be surprised if down the road, someone looks at you and says, "smile, you're on candid camera".

BTW...
Since I'm finished talking about this.
Is MorphOS open source?

Is the source code available to anyone?

Just a question...
Nothing implied.

[System]

Also, I take back all that I said about MorphOs being illegal.

That would have to be done in a court of law.

What I should have said is, " it is my opinion that MorphOS is illegal".
Because that's really what I meant anyway.

Sorry.

[System]

Mountain Myst, I think you mean what I have said before: that copying AmigaOS API was immoral, not illegal. At least, this is what I believe

Yes, I believe so.

Since I'm not  a judge, I cannot go on arueing about it.
But yes, In my view, it is immoral.

[System]

@ AmiGR

expected you not to answer...

Sorry for serving/eating dinner!?  You must believe I am married to my monitor or something!?  :-o

People need to know the truth about the current Amiga Inc situation.

The truth is:
- Amiga Inc is very unlikely to bankrupt anytime soon, despite various damaging efforts by Genesi staff.
- Amiga will answer appropriately to Genesi's recent legal complaint.
- The issues Amiga Inc has with regard to the ABOX, are not the "re-implementation" of APIs.

[System]

well....


Hmmm.....


 :-o

No comment on that one.
I can't wait to hear what it's all about.

It won't surprise me whatever it is.

[System]

Where do all these evil companies come from man?

I think Germany has a BUNCH of them.

Boy, if I could just win the lottery...
Amiga Inc. wouldn't have to worry quite as much.

[System]

@ AmiGR

As I imagined... YOU DID NOT ANSWER.

I did, I have told you the current status of Amiga Inc.

*WHY* didn't he show up in court when that employee sued him if he did have the money to pay him AND the money for
the lawyer?

I don't understand what that smiley should be good for. IMO the story is quite without dignity and involves much back-stabbing.

Some time ago, Amiga Inc was struggling and employees were told to be paid when proper funding arrived. The specific employee was asked to leave, but he wouldn't.

After a while Genesi comes into the picture, when confidential information regarding these internal problems comes to their knowledge and offers to fund a lawsuit against Amiga Inc for this employee. Due to the issues mentioned earlier, no proper defence was prepared and thus they lost by default.

Bill McEwen made various *very large* personal sacrifices to keep Amiga Inc going and afterwards managed to secure some additional funding.

Just like Jay Miner, Bill has done and still does everything he can to keep his Amiga dream alive and luckily they are currently in a better position today.

[System]

@ JoannaK

But don't yu dare to compare good, tallented and honest man like Jay Miner to this --- This McEwen

And do you know Mister McEwen personally? You may not share his vision for an Amiga future and maybe you don't think he is a good CEO, but he does do his absolute best to keep his Amiga dream going.

Jay Miner had to jump through several loop-holes himself to keep the original Amiga project alive. I have absolutely no trouble comparing the two. And I hope Bill will deliver as well.

[System]

@ AmiGR

Not paying an employee and keep telling him that

When there was no money, he could not be paid. It's quite simple actually.

You cannot fire an employee if you owe him money.

And as you know he wasn't fired, he was simply *asked* to leave for the good of the company.

Anyway AmiGR wanted me to fill in the more complete story. So, there you have it.