Team AMIGA vote against lending name

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I, for one, salute the members of Team Amiga for voting that way.  Not that it will keep Amiga from simply taking the name, as they have with a few others, but it's at least a proper show of respect to say politely that you disagree.

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I, for one, salute the members of Team Amiga for voting that way.

Hmm. The name "Team Amiga" was preferred to other options by more active members of the Amiga community than are, apparently, active members of the current Team Amiga. That doesn't say much, but it says something.

I didn't personally care for the name "Team Amiga", and I think Bill McEwen's new proposal ("Amiga Team") is much better, so I'm pretty pleased with the result.

It just strikes me as peculiarly anti-community that Team Amiga voted the way they did.

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I voted for "Team Amiga", but "Club Amiga" will do just as well for me.  :-D

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I can't help wondering what's with so much criticism over the decision, both here and on ANN?

Can't speak for ANN, or anyone else. I personally was peeved by Wayne's comment, and was replying only to that. Wayne came across as "yeah stick it to Amiga Inc" and implied that Amiga, Inc. would just take the name outright. So, I saw the announcement in that light.

Wayne, if that's not at all what you meant, I'm sorry; that's just how it came across, and continues to come across, each time I read it.

...why does the "community" feel Team AMIGA owe them something?

I don't feel Team AMIGA owes the community anything. I have no idea what they do, but if they want to keep the name for themselves, hey let them. That doesn't change my impression that it is a peculiar thing to do, to deny permission to an apparently larger Amiga community, who apparently were ignorant of the real Team AMIGA, and liked the name from a logo design.

I'm obviously not a member of Team AMIGA, & am not privy to whatever debate there was. All the same, I am curious to know why Team AMIGA voted the way they did. So far, no reasons have been given. They don't owe the community an explanation, but neither did the community owe them the flattery of asking them for the name, eh?

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@bhoggett:

What, there was outside pressure on Team AMIGA? The designer of the T-shirt knew there was an active Team AMIGA and chose that name anyway? I haven't read about this, and I'd really like to.

I would gladly take back what I've said, given new in formation. I mean, before this vote, I didn't know there was a Team AMIGA organization of any sort, active or otherwise. It was a complete shock to me, and apparently to a lot of amiga.org members, from what I read here.

If there wasn't outside pressure, or if the designer didn't know... then I'm sorry, I just can't see your point at all.

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Wayne, if that's not at all what you meant, I'm sorry; that's just how it came across, and continues to come across, each time I read it.

That's not what I meant at all, and your reaction is a very status quo part of the big reason I am seriously considering finding something better to do with my time and money these days.

What I meant was that I salute Team Amiga (regardless of their size or whatnot) for approaching things in this manner.  Let's face it, the way they took a vote, then announced that they would rather Amiga Inc not take the name is a damned site better than what we've seen from the likes of other groups and "companies" lately.  

I find it rather refreshing actually and I wish more entities around the Amiga would take such a civil and elegant approach to their activities.

Besides, you (other responses) mock Team Amiga for their "46 votes" but think about one thing.  It only takes one person with a loud voice to make life uncomfortable on a Web site forum.  Team Amiga's entire purpose in life was to be vocal.  Steal their name and Team Amiga members would crawl out of the woodwork with baseball bats in hand.  

Team Amiga may be "a joke" (or at least started that way) but they are DOING SOMETHING.  Remove that and Amiga Inc run the risk of making enemies of some of the most vocal Amiga supporters left in this fractured little community.

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They voted and chose not to give up the name - thats fine. But why is that any better than if they had chosen to do so? (No offense, Im just wondering.)

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"... are doing something ..." Well, what are they doing now? Havent heard of Team Amiga in a long while.

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That's not what I meant at all, and your reaction is a very status quo part of the big reason I am seriously considering finding something better to do with my time and money these days.

Okay, "vote that way" as in voting by that method, not as in acquiring that result. I read it completely wrong. I'm sorry.

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I agree, but what other names have they *taken* Wayne?

The Amiga Developer Network for one.  The ADN was used by Amiga.org in 1997 to 2000 for our developer effort.  It is what became of the ICOA.  I was never asked whether they could take it, but then again, by the time they did, I couldn't care less.

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IMO a name like "Amiga Developer Network" should be used for official AmigaOS or AmigaDE developers.

It would be very strange if QSSL couldn't or shouldn't call their official Developer Network "the QNX Developers' Network" just because a community website decided to use a similar name as well.

IMO the name "Team Amiga" is very different as it simply relates to a club which could bear just about any Amiga related name.

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Agreed, its not nice to lose a name one "imagined".

Otoh its only natural that the official Amiga developer network is named "Amiga Developer Network".

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Sure, Amiga Inc could just TAKE the Team AMIGA name for themselves. It would only cost them thier soul.

As noted above, at one point the founder died and Gary Peake took over administration of the team. It put him right where he needed to be to affect positive change in the Amiga community. I sincerely doubt he would have been in the right place at the right time to have become part of the formation of Amiga Inc. otherwise.

The Team AMIGA mailing list is now quite lively though only with a few members, mostly (IMO) due to the bellicose nature of a few select inDUHviduals.

This does not mean that just because Amiga Inc is bigger than they are that they can just waltz in and take whatever they want. It's bad enough that big companies are more or less doing that already -- witness the numerous domain name land grabs out there. As far as that goes, what is left of the Amiga community really does NOT need that kind of thing to become commonplace, because the entire Amiga community, all rolled into one, would amount to a bug on the windshield of any of those corporate juggernauts out there.

If anything, I was amazed that the Team AMIGA suggestion didn't get jerked out of contention immediately. I can only assume Gary wasn't involved with the poll so didn't actually know that the name had come up as a possibility. Otherwise, I would EXPECT him to have done that out of respect for his past.

If he was aware, and did nothing ... I don't know what to say.  Highly disrepespectful.

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Grimmtooth, I completely fail to see your point, note that Amiga Inc did NOT just  take the name!  :-?

Also note that almost any normal suggestion was accepted by Amiga Inc, no censorship at all (even non-member suggestions and votes were accepted) , even such a trolling logo as created by Seehund (Emanuel, non-member Mair) was accepted. (I would love to see him wear a t-shirt with his own logo in public!  ;-))

If Team Amiga had no problem with the *suggested* Amiga club name, then what would be the problem?