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[Gaidheal]

@lempkee

In words more your style "x86 ownz ju!"

Or.. When was the last time Amiga was taken seriously as home computer?  What architecture do you imagine about 70% of the world (probably higher now) uses as its home computer platform?  Business platform?  Amiga + Business.. hmmm.  Some graphics people liked them.....  :¬)

Nuff said, I reckon

Incidentally, the future of the "Amiga experience" is, imo, on the x86 architecture with things such as AROS, Amithlon, and even humble old (Win)UAE.

John

[Gaidheal]

LOL LOL LOL

Drugs?  I think we know which one of us was on drugs... but by way of a reasoned address to each.. err.. can I call them points?

No blabbering it was pretty plain, though possibly over your head, I'll try and keep it simple for you this time.

You don't use PC or Mac, therefore we can safely assume you know bugger all about them, right?  :¬)

Sure you are a part-time games developer.. actually given the quality of most PS games, you probably are.. I take the insinuation back.

300 PC games and all crap?  LOL What were doing buying up the UbiSoft back catalogue?  Besides, yet to see anything much more engaging than "Hack it with your sword" or "Shoot it with your gun (if you can manage to aim at anything with the crappy interface)" on the PS or PS2  (I admit, I don't care for either, despite free access and being repeatedly encouraged to give it another go.  Indeed I have been asked to develop for PS2, which is not such a bad idea but I still don't like them as a machine)

400 hours to open a file?  And you want me to believe you can develop software for games companies in your spare time.. wait we covered that didn't we?  PS games.. I keep forgetting.. I agree though, very 'lame'.

Everyone likes PLAYBILITY(sic!) that would be why Civ3 is one of the better selling PC games, for example.  On the other hand.. the Amiga ceased to be a serious games platform by about 1995.  Sorry.  If you like your old games, great!  I do too, Hired Guns WAS better on the Amiga than on the PC.. Frontier: Elite II was not.  Graphics means even less when they are crap anyway, as they HAVE to be on the "legacy" Amigas.  This is a simple reality of hardware evolution, get over it.  Incidentally, projects like AROS are your best hope of ever regaining those "Glory Days" in any meaningfully "Amiga" way.

Which position would that be?  LOL  That you talk out of your arse as regards X86 architecture?  Not likely, since it was a self evident fact.  Whether it is an Amiga forum or not is irrelevant to a) whether I can hold that position b) being on the forum at all anyway.  Doubly so since this is an emulation forum.  There are loads of PC user on Amiga forums, this is because most "Amiga users" are users of UAE/WinUAE or Amithlon.  Again, you seem a little confused about the dateline here.... too commercial?  I thought you were a games developer... or is the PS/PS2 not a commerical platform these days? :¬)

I "Sorta" did no such thing.. however I await you and the rest of your 'people' at your and their leisure, homeboy!  LOL

Amiga1260/66mzh
240_603e+ppc/MediatorPciA1200
Voodoo5500,Sb128,
10/100ethernet
SpiderUsb2.0
RGB_TVcard
powerflyer
128megs ram.
ETC... +
AmigaONE XE 800 G4.

^ and my system still floors it:

AMD Athlon XP 2400+
1024Gb DDR 400 RAM
40Gb ATA133 7200rpm HDD
16x DVD-ROM
52x24x52 CD-R/W
nVidia GeForce FX 5600
Gigabyte K7 Triton GA-7NNXP m/b
AOC 17" LCD monitor

So much for "x86 suxx..." oh yeah.. I can feel it sucking me in.... hellllllpppppp..... ;¬)

 :quickdraw:

[Gaidheal]

@NitrousB:

UAE, even WinUAE works quite nicely for the most part.  Certainly I have no major problems as a result of the emulation, just trouble with old corrupted files or diskettes, usually.  What hardware you running now?  Pity about the A1200, as I have said before, it was the only Amiga that really did have me seriously thinking about moving architecture.. pity Amiga was so badly let down by Commodore and others later.  Does illustrate the benefits of "Open Architecture" though (i.e. cheap plentiful hardware, lots of innovation, large user base).  A point made even within the "PC" world with MCA (Micro Channel Architecture, in case you did not know) a proprietary bus standard (IBM who also invented PS/2 but which was adopted as an open standard) that was better than those around at the time, but dead within 12 months because it required licencing to be used (VLB killed it).

John

[Gaidheal]

@lempkee:

It's not a PC vs  Amiga fight.. that was settled ten years ago, pretty clear which platform won too.

I don't play Civ3 at all.. and you are right, you would not use half the power of my system, wheras I do, hence I have it.. because I really do develop software :¬)  Umm.. which brings us to the nature of the forum and why I am even posting on it... I just joined the AROS team, in fact to develop the "Classic" as you put it emulation for AROS as well as for NT5 (the most popular desktop OS family by far now, not to mention extensive server use, though there are better choices, imo).  By the way, I hardly use WinUAE, because there were only a couple of games on the Amiga that are/were not on the PC and are worth the time now.  My interest is mostly technical.  A recent lull in activity elsewhere led me to look into WinUAE and Amiga emulation again (as a friend was nagging me about setting up either a working Amiga for him, or else emulation on his PC) and I got interested enough to end up deciding to write the emulation for AROS.

What did you say it was you were managing to develop on your setup?  

And yes, I do say it will floor your system.. a PII 200 will floor your system, because it is ten years old.. which is the point really isn't it?  And no, it won't be worth 1/10th what I paid, in fact I only lose about 50% per 18 months, for several reasons.  None of which you are likely to grasp given your posts so far, nor even need to know :¬)

However, yeah, maybe you just had a bad day.. benefit of doubt duly given.

John

P.S.  Game development is shifting to consoles again:  Sony beating the last bit of life out of the PS/PS2, MS pouring money into the XBox and the GameCube coming along nicely as the Nintendo back catalog and even some SEGA stuff makes onto it.. along with some of the best games of the year (BloodRayne - which I prefer on PC, Metroid Prime - truly inspired 'sequel', etc)

[Gaidheal]

Umm.. ok I realize we are seriously off topic now... heh!

So, Nitrous, have you managed to get a useful answer in the end?

John

[Gaidheal]

ok last address at you kiddo:

Yes, PC won hands down for the reasons I listed.  It IS over, was ten years ago.  The competition was for the home PC market, the prize was that market. "x86" architecture has it solidly, though fortunately no one single vendor (sorry IBM!) or even single OS, though flavours of "Windows" dominate.

"you are sooooooo out there...." looked in a mirror recently?  Being a fanboy is pretty silly, try reality.  Adding letters to a word does not make it more true.  Attempting petty insults only harms your cause.  End of that little "point"

Metroid Prime is very cool, however I have more things to do than play games.  Some of us have lives other than on a computer and even those of us who are on computers a lot do more than play games (well some of us anyway!)  BTW Metroid Prime is not ON the GBA.  Perhaps you meant Metroid Fusion?  And the playability of Metroid Prime is pretty much beyond dispute, not a Sony fanboy too are we?

Consoles have not always dominated games.. in fact until recently PC dominated games, but consoles have come back with a vengeance for a whole host of reasons and now the PC games market is actually shrinking.  Amiga was pretty good for games too, in its time, in certain markets.

If I did not know jackshit about Amiga, I would not be here and considering writing an emulator for the legacy Amiga models.  Incidentally, I could actually build one, with the necessary components and access to the board fabrication tools.  So, yeah, I reckon I probably know enough.  Despite never having seriously used them.

"..x86 and windows had to go up against 2000 before it could barely use what the amiga had/have (bad in 94+) " <- what exactly are you trying to say here, since it makes no sense... on seconds thoughts, don't bother, it's obviously nonsense.

Amiga development ended long ago.  Several new companies are developing technology aimed at former Amiga users and those who still use old Amigas.  Other than that it is purely maintenance of old technology and the occasional hardware add-on.  Sorry.

Whether you look into AROS or not is of no concern to me, and if you feel the need to not bother because your attempt at a "flame war" got YOU burnt instead then probably, imo, they are better off without you.  However, that is not my call to make and I honestly care not one way or the other.  Open Source means anyone who is able to and motivated to can contribute.. however, I feel bound to seriously ask what exactly it was you and your "team" were going to contribute?  And who exactly they are that you can claim to speak for them as a unit.. indeed, bluntly I calling you on the likelihood of such a team even existing.  But again, I don't actually consider it that important.  I think you are childish poser/fanboy who is not used to having his "flames" backfire.  I could be wrong, but I won't lose sleep either way.  So, if you are "totally OFF" AROS and its development and presumably have nothing to offer to the emulation scene, why don't YOU actually leave the forum, rather than the mythical "Amithlon crowd" you claimed to be addressing?

John