Amiga osX

[Casper]

What my fellow amiga.org members MEANT to say, was that running Mac OS X on an AmigaONE is illegal. It violates the EULA of Mac OS X.

I think that depends on where you live. I took a computer law course at university and if I understood it correctly any "contract" must be agreed to before you pay for your software in Sweden. Any other "contract" is invalid. So, the "click yes to agree" type of license/contract is meaningless here. It does not matter if you can return the software and get your money back.  Maybe it works the same in the rest of the EU too, I can't remember.  

DISCLAIMER: It's been a few years since i took that course so 1. I might remember incorrectly, 2. the laws may have changed since then.  Don't blame me if you get into trouble.  :-)

[Casper]

@marktime

If you don't think you have a valid contract, in the EULA, in your country.....Then you simply don't have a contract at all. A contract to use the software on an AmigaONE, didn't materialize out of thin air, certainly.

Don't you see, no contract, means no contract!!!!

license agreements are valid in all euorpean countries, these types of arguments 'it's legal in my country' are very hard to counter, because I readily admit, I don't know the laws of every country of the world. but its by and large BS.

I didn't say thay EULAs weren't valid in Sweden in all cases. I just said that EULAs you can only agree to after you've paid for the software aren't valid.

I actually think this is a good thing. What if you buy an OS for a lot of money and when you get home the EULA says that you can only use it every other sunday between 2 and 3 AM? You've just paid for something that you can hardly ever use and you had no idea these restrictions were there until you tried to install it. At best it's a hassle to get your money back, at worst you don't see that money again.

If you knew about this EULA before you paid for your software you would never have bought it and bought something else instead better suited to your needs.
europe and america both have very strong intellectual property laws, and don't allow piracy.

The reason I will be fairly vocal on this subject, is I am looking for practice in making a certain point clear.

Its obvious to me, that many people feel piracy is OK, and thats life....but many people don't really understand why its wrong, and so its good to sharpen ones skills on this point.

I don't think it is piracy.  If you paid for OS X and want to use it on your AmigaONE instead of your Mac, it is still paid for. If you use it on both your Mac and your A1, then it would be piracy (which would most certainly be illegal here in Sweden).

For example, spending $100 to buy a license for using Mac OS X on a single piece of apple branded hardware, allows you to use Mac OS X for whatever you want? nooooo, not really.

can you buy a 10 person license and use it for 15? Is that OK? Can you buy an upgrade license for XP, and use it to make a full install on an OEM machine?

Not if you have agreed to the EULA in a legally binding way (before you paid for the product). But I think it is actually up to the software company to ensure that their EULA is valid.
Should I just agree to everything that is in the EULA just out of the godness of my heart?

[Casper]

@Thomas

We also have laws that give everyone the right to make one personal copy of so-called intellectual property for personal use.

Exactly!!

But I can believe a non-EU country would have a law like that.

Actually i believe sweden has the same law.

I believe most of EU is similar there... I think its mostly only US and UK that dosent allow this.

Actually, the "copy for personal use" is not valid for software in Sweden, only for other types of copyrighted works such as music and movies. There is talk about removing this right for all types of copyrights in the near future though.
You were allowed to make a copy of your software for backup purposes but then you had to store that copy and it could only be used if the original was destroyed but I'm not sure if this is still allowed.

[Casper]

AFAIK
if you buy something in denmark, it is yours, you can do with it as you like. except make copies to other persons than yourself.
So (correct me if I am wrong), in Denmark, you would be allowed to install macos on you A1, since you bought both.

you can even piss on it a exhibit as a sculpture

Yes, but as said here before, you usually don't buy software, you're buying the right to use it. It usually say somewhere that the developer retains the ownership of the product. It more like you're renting it from the developer.

If you buy software you would have all rights to it, including its source code.

[Casper]

@marktime

Your country sweden is not the WHOLE WORLD.

Olegil is from Norway as far as I recall, but I guess it was an honest mistake. :-) I, on the other hand, am from Sweden.

There are many countries in the world, and in the vast majority of Europe and America, the idea that you can buy a service, license a product, is central to IP ownership. You do not BUY OS X. You buy a limited license to use OS X under certain restrictions.

And every country, including Sweden, has the ability to sell services. Services are a valid concept in sweden. You can buy a license in sweden. Sweden is not simply restricted to only physical product sales.

Of course this is so. I don't recall anyone saying otherwise. Since you don't seem to have bothered to read my previous response I will repeat myself again.

The only thing that is not valid in Sweden are licenses that you can only agree to after you have paid for the license. The "click wrapped" EULAs that are present in most installers are therefore not a valid license agreement. For a license to be valid here you must be able to read it and agree to it before you pay for it, otherwise that license is invalid and you are not bound by it.

[Casper]

@marktime

LOL, my mistake, I apologize for confusing Sweden and Norway.

Is it too late to excuse this by way of saying, I'm from North America?

No problem.

I was directing my coments at olegil and the country he is from, I did read your earlier comments, and I didn't add any further comment about them, because I thought they stood up well by themselves and were very informative.

I was replying because he and I were saying the same thing, and you didn't seem to understand what we were saying. The laws in Norway and Sweden seem to be similar in this respect .

Perhaps we can lay this issue to rest now at least in regards to what is valid and not valid in Sweden and Norway.

@swedes and norwegians
Before you do use OS X on your A1, check that the license agreement isn't printed on the outside of the box. If it is, you are bound by it, since you were able to read it before you paid for it. The law in sweden does not require you to sign an agreement with your name in order for it to be valid (I just checked) so the fact that you paid for it is an indication that you accepted the license agreement.  Apple do have to prove that it was you who agreed to it though (a signature is therefore recomended for contracts), but you still have commited a breach of contract.