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Re: Lyle Hazelwood was WRONG
« on: July 29, 2014, 05:54:51 PM »
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Why did intel not make it backwards compatible? Just to be annoying (as is often the case)?


There are some real advantages to the new standard.. and they would not have been possible with AC97:

The case wiring of the old system was.. "less than ideal".. the line/headphone output was routed from the case to the front headphone jack. At the jack, audio runs though a couple normally closed contacts (open when headphones inserted) and then the audio is run from there to the normal green jack on the back panel. WHat this means is that under the best circumstances, your "line output" has run two trips through the case, and also through a pair of mechanical contacts.. this is a higher failure rate than needed, and if you don't connect the headphone jack, the line output doesn't work at all!

The same circuit on HDAudio: There are separate audio feeds for headphone out and line out.. a single contact on the headphone jack can be used to tell the driver when headphones are plugged in or not.. But it's now possible to have BOTH outputs active at the same time, and it is possible to have separate feeds to either of them, and the line out still works if the case jacks are not connected..

The old way had each card showing up in PCI space, and every card needed specific drivers. the new way has a stream of data through the southbridge that can support up to four separate cards, and they all (supposedly) can use the same driver.. Now I'll be the first to say that our current driver is not compatible with anything but the X1000 right now.. but it's a start.

I'm sure there's other changes as well.. but that's a start

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Do we have USB audio working on any Amigalike yet?


I have code to record and play back audio over USB.
There are a few obstacles yet to overcome, and I have other
projects as well, but there is hope for the future.:)
 

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Re: Lyle Hazelwood was WRONG
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2014, 06:51:19 PM »
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.... running on hardware that is a decade or three behind what the rest of the world is using.


I respectfully disagree.:)

By necessity, we don't have the very latest, in part because we are such a small group. But on some specific fronts we are not all that far behind.

My current Amiga has SATA and PATA built in, along with working HDAudio.
And while my choices are mostly restricted to a single brand, my choices for a graphics card are respectable.

I don't follow the PC world closely enough to know what the "latest" graphics cards are, but I think we are a bit closer than a few decades behind.

I get to use off-the shelf monitors, keyboards, mice, power supply, and hard drives.
Memory for an X is MUCH easier to find than memory was for earlier models.

I agree that we're not "cutting edge" of the market, but especially considering that we have to write our own drivers, I'm quite impressed with where we are today.

Not bad.. and I don't miss the 23 pin monitor port at all. :)
 

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Re: Lyle Hazelwood was WRONG
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2014, 09:39:28 PM »
I was wrong, and I can admit it to the general public.
I gave out bad information, which I truly regret doing, as it may damage my perceived integrity in the future.
I have admittied it and apologized, and I have even invited people to tell me I was wrong if it helps.
But please, PLEASE don't turn this thread into a review of Microsoft products.
Some things are even more offensive than a public apology.
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Re: Lyle Hazelwood was WRONG
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2014, 01:27:22 AM »
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I didn't write my post to offend any users of AmigaOS4.x, MorphOS, AROS, or AmigaOS3.x on Classic Amiga hardware, FPGA clones, or modern hardware running emulation.  

I took no offense at all, and hope I didn't offend you either.

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... can only be considered equal to mainstream systems that are at least a  decade old,

I agree completely. Any comparison of an Amiga to a mainstream system will favor the mainstream by price, performance, availablility, support, and software available. On that we completely agree.
Unless we reach a market share that would support large batch manufacturing, and a user base big enough to attract manufacturers and programmers, this is not likely to change. I don't expect that to happen.

I, personally, am not terribly interested in programming nor using a Windows platform. A course I once took ended with an introduction to the Win32 API, and if I never see it again I'll be quite grateful.

I suppose the difference between our opinions might relate to the relative comparison. As long as we measure our success by comparing it to the Windows community, (or even the Linux community), we will pale by comparison.
But I meant to compare my current Amiga to any of my previous ones.
I have owned quite a few Amiga1000 machines, often with hand made hardware additions. I owned an A4000 Desktop, that had an 040 installed. And I own a micro-AmigaOne.
My first A1000 was bought used, because I could not afford a new one. It was amazing. The 4000D was a great upgrade in speed, and I loved it too.
The micro was a big change. It was tiny, not terribly stable, and the OS was still in early stages. It certainly had it's flaws, but after using it for six months I sold or gave away all my classic Amigas. After going to AmigaOS there just wasn't much fun in the classics for me.
Then the X1000 was delivered. Yes, it's expensive, but after adjusting for inflation it costs less than the original Amiga1000.

When I sit in front of the X1000, I get a better overall experience compared to any of the Amigas I have owned before. It is faster, it is more capable, the OS is very solid, and the hardware is.. well, it's not a micro. ;)

There will always be "something more" to wait for. whether some driver or some feature in the OS, we will NEVER be complete. and that is a GOOD thing. Because once we are done we risk not growing any more. And that would be the worst possible news.

Just as there will always be something more, there will always be people waiting impatiently for it. Those of us that are still here are ALL passionate about our love for Amiga, either in one or many of its flavors. Without that passion the Amiga flame would have gone out long ago. THe down side of having such a passionate following is.. well. You're a moderator, I don't need to tell you what happens. :)

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...  My comment was not meant to offend, or disappoint.

Nor was mine, in any way. You and I have met, and I have a great respect for your work. which could probably be described as "community service". The more folks like you among us, the better off we will all be.

My wife is calling, and I may have exceeded the post length limit.
Goodnight, my friends