Natami started and stopped again

[LiveForIt]

That would be fantastic if they did that, but don't think that would happen becouse then they would sell less AOS4 and AmigaOne.

This two things are not the same products, the NetAmi has no appeal for me, its too low spec, for one thing,

NovaCoder is calling NatAMI too ambitious, I will say that it is not near how ambitious it needs to to be called  modern in any way or form.

They will never be able to create a graphic card that can be compared to modern ATI or Nvidia graphic card.

(If this was easy you see lots companies creating graphic cards, and competing for customers, and not two ATI and Nvidia.)

They will never be able to make a FPGA CPU that is in GHz range.

All I see is small upgrade to classic line of Amiga computers.

The X1000 on the other hand does have some modern features,1.8Ghz CPU,AltiVec, SATA, PCIe, modern graphics new graphic cards from ATI, lots and lots of RAM. It can play modern films 720, 1050 should work 1080 possibly with SMP, or with hardware accelerated video decoding.

AmigaOS4.1 was voted the most beautiful OS here not long ago, its also a patch free OS, with lots of improvements under the hood.

I'm not willing to go back to AmigaOS3.x with patches that make the system unstable.

The X1000 is expletive yes, but you get some thing now, instead of waiting for some thing that can never be as good, and by the time NatAMI project is out there will be X9000 I'm shore.

I can't think of any reason way I should be using a NatAMI instead of X1000, there is no old hardware that is wort connecting to it, and yes maybe is more precise at ruining 68k program, but who cares the software from 80's and 90's is designed for lowres 320x200 and 640x480, it looks horrible, and does not do what I expect in 2014.

[LiveForIt]

Hmmm and where do you get the software from?

I create my own software, if I need some thing, that's my hobby.

Certainly 90% of the software base is 68k.

Yes but can you name any 68k software that is worth using today?

and you can add everything you want in hardware and optimize everything so we will see how big the differences in reality will be.

Well I'm not, I'm shore there are few people who are interested in FPGA's and what they can do with it, but this people have different interest then the people who buy X1000.

Anyway some will need to make this optimizations, write the drivers and the software to use the drivers, with out drivers there might be one program that can use your optimizations, and no other because how many are expects on FPGA's?

It might be that I have been a NG user for too long to see the value to see the appeal, that's maybe the point, the people who buy X1000, are not the same as the people who are interested in NatAMI.

[LiveForIt]

Well, all things considered I could get by perfectly by using Turbocalc and Amigawriter.

I have actually used TurboCalc on AmigaOS4, and it work fine, but having said that there are newer and better spreadsheet application for AmigaOS, “Ignition” its 68k but it has fewer of the limitations of TurboCalc.

Amigawriter is to out of date for my taste, thinking about supported file formats and so on, shore there tools like AntiWord to convert .doc files to text and so, and lose the text formatting, I don't like that.

 “Cinnamon Writer” is my suggestion as replacement its native AmigaOS software, AbiWord that's also nice office application.

Libreoffice is not yet ported to AmigaOS, but you can use Google docs, works fine in Odyssey Web browser.

Besides every thing I can't do on AmigaOS, I need to do on Linux or Windows anyway, so sure there are some programs that used to be nice on AmigaOS3.x but most of the software is so old.

but if you have fun and actually get some productivity out of it, why not....?

Shore that's the point of any hobby.

[LiveForIt]

Raytracers like Reflections,

Not tried it, but often when you compare old programs to new programs, there big difference in details, filters and effects, water effects in Autodesk Maya for example, looks real. While we do not have Maya on AmigaOS4. We do have Blender and it can produce decent quality images.

graphical programs like TV-Paint  

Works on AmigaOS4 (does not need UAE),
But it does not support PNG, and so there might be better applications for job like Gimp or Sketchblock.

countless PD or Shareware.

Maybe a few items (HippoPlayer), but rally nothing I need or most use.

More impotently nothing of this requires a NatAMI, even if HippoPlayer does not work on AmigaOS4, it work in E-UAE, so its not a issue.

[LiveForIt]

So I see no sense to spend lots of money for it

NatAmi is not going to be free, thats for shore, I don't think money is a issue, seeing how much money people have spent on hardware upgrades for Classic Amiga; acceleration cards, graphic cards, and all sort of Clock port exception upgrades. Looking at signature, it looks like some have there own private museum with all models ever created.

It is a playground today

AmigaOS has always been playground for hobbyists, shore it has been used in some commercial settings.

not a potential replacement for Windows/Linux/Mac like some seem to hope with Aros/AmigaOS or MorphOS

AmigaOS4 is a potential replacement for Windows/Linux/Mac, if it was not for Skype and Spotify and a few games, I'm shore there are people who don't need this things, and do manage with just AmigaOS.

I only recently installed Linux, for one thing only, I have managed with out Linux for years.

Most things you don't even need a computer to do this days, with Android tablet, and smart phones.

Everybody shall have his fun

Some thing for every one.

[LiveForIt]

But that has everyone decide for himself. When I mention a program you always write XYZ (only available on Windows or Linux) is newer that it. Yes but most of those programs are not available on AmigaOS too.

For most things there is a way, its a question of does this do what you need it to do.

and even if, they are just ports but then I can also use the programs on Windows or Linux

It depends, what the result is of doing it one way vs the other way, some commercial software we will never have for AmigaOS. But some times there are good open source alteratives.

and do not need to buy expensive AmigaOS hardware.

Well you don't need to, but AmigaOS has its advantages too, besides being notalgic about it.
Never need to reinstall applications after OS upgrade, different way of doing things that can be some times a advantage, not too bloated easy to understand what is going on, no virus and no advertisement in software, no bundled crap included, how the UI works, well there are many more things.

But more impotently its a hobby and some people like to use.

Only software that is not available on Windows or Linux might be a reason to use AmigaOS.

You can do every thing in Windows and Linux and most likely there are better programs to do it, I guess it comes down to being able to do things differently.

Besides I like writing programs for AmigaOS, hard to do that on Windows.

I guess the answers is some thing similar for a MacOS users or Linux user way not use windows, when all the best commercial software is for windows.

[LiveForIt]

Why are you here?

Comment 42, X1000 sales will be some how damaged by NatAMI sales.

I disagree with this, X1000 users like my self, I'm interested in a modern computer with modern software, we X1000 users are more interested in the OS experience.

An fpga based amiga better than a minimig would be nice, the fpga arcade is closer to what I want but still misses by a bit.

I do understand the part of people wanting the authentic experience, perfect audio and video sync, and the right sounds, etc. If I was interested in classic games I buy minimig, don't play a lot of games this days, and so it does not make sense to me.

[LiveForIt]

As for OS4, then I agree with you that the costs is too much.

The price of the OS is not that bad considering all the updates that I have gotten for that price.

I run it on a Pegasos II

It was not free when it came first came out, I belive it was priced around the same value as a AmigaONE-XE, when it came out.

Shore you can argue that X1000 hardware is expective, but we don't see it that way, we like to there to be hardware in the future as well, and the only way to do that is support the people who make hardware, that goes for any hardware being made, that also includes NatAMI, MiniMigs, and hardware upgrades for classic Amiga computers.

The fact that El-Box and INDIVIDUAL COMPUTERS, exists today is mostly down to fact that some one buys there products. It does not matter if its classic Amiga we are taking about or NG, in this context. I'm happy Amiga is as live as it is today, I'm happy I can go and buy new stuff from AmigaKIT, and I hope this is will be possible in the future as well.

I see you have donated to support Amiga.org, I'm shore you don't disagree with me.

[LiveForIt]

I have only a problem with your view 68=old/retro and X1000 is new/modern. In fact the FPGA solutions that will be used are very modern (to be precise used in the industry).

A FPGA can be programmed to do different things, but if you program it to be a Amiga1200 it is a Amiga1200, shore you can add some new features. And sure you can make a better Amiga then what existed back then, but even so you can't make better graphic card then what ATI have for sale.

But the NatAMI is not for people like me who wants a a new ATI graphic card, instead of some kind of AGA graphics.

I think we might be drifting a bit off topic here, I hope no one minds.

the software base and 68k is by far the biggest (and I do not talk about commercial software...

That might be, when I first got my AmigaONE-XE, I spent days digging into old Amiga Cover CD's and Disks.

If we talk about internet software, besides the more known Aweb/IBrowse/Voyager, there is few BBS and News Group reader programs, this days I wont dream of using today.

It might well be that there are some gems I don't know about as I whet from Amiga500 to AmigaONE-XE, and skipped, only used A1200 when vising one of my friends. And he did not have internet connection at the time.

I know of one Arexx RSS/Podcast reader I like to get working gain, the trick is to install the correct versions of MUI classes or else it does not run, I have pretty much given up on it. (Anyway it might be this is a potential future software project for me, so I don't mind)

The point being there is lot of crap out there, and while there might be few gems its really hard to find this, when you do find some thing it is normally a disappointment because software is not exactly bug free, as you might think.

Shore there are some programs that are not totally outdated.

There are lots of libraries written in assembler for gaming and graphics that are long forgotten and I hope to make them known again.

Looking foreword to knowing more about this.

And the huge number of compilers available that not exist as PPC native versions.

There is a few compilers that don't work anymore, but most software is written in C, sure there might nice to have a good Pascal compiler, but then again no one writes programs in Pascal anymore. Looking back at things I made in AMOS there is absolutely nothing I like to bring back to life. (Even if was possible to bring back something, I really hate having to work with a program language that is not well structured today.) The start menu Excalibur started its life as a BlitzBasic2 program, and was rewritten for GCC, I'm not shore it be supporting Composition and window transparency if was not ported from BlitzBasic2 to GCC, AsmOne might not work, but VBCC 680x0 assembler and linker do, there is nothing I really miss.

we see that this vastly failed.

most of the software is not open source, reverse engineering is not that easy, and writing some thing that looks like some thing old, seams meaning less as more then likely it does make sense to do it the same way as in 80's and 90's.

But on the bright side, there as been a few nice ports, AWeb, Dopus4, Opus5 and Personal Paint, Yam, SimpleMail, AmigaAMP. It maybe not a lot but many of this programs are nice programs.

There are slot of new programs that kind fills the gap.

I can also easy admit that there are some 68k programs that do work.

In any case most of big 68k software base is mix some good and lots of not so good programs, navigating and finding some thing that is worth using is not always easy, if you don't know what your looking for.

For the people how use classic MacOS, there is system7today.com, some thing like that might be nice idea for AmigaOS3.x, to help guide people to good gems.