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Re: Which is the best Amiga and why?
« on: August 18, 2008, 02:30:50 AM »
@Sim085

As you can see, there are lots of good opinions here.

Basically, you have two decisions to make.  One is what do you want to do with your Amiga.  The other is how much money do you want to spend.

"... what I could actually do with such an Amiga?"

In its day, the classic Amiga was a good all around general purpose home computer.  There were word processing programs, spreadsheet programs, paint programs, music generation programs, and games.  IMHO, it was already what we would now call a multimedia computer.  Some Amigas were used for commercial applications.  The NewTek Video Toaster created a niche market for the A2000 in broadcast video production and started the desktop video revolution.  Some people have A4000T machines with Video Toaster 4000.

These days, those programs are harder to find.

"... is it possible to do most of the things I already do with a PC?"

The answer depends on what you want to do.

It is very important to remember that the classic Amiga machines and most of the earlier software came out years before WindowsXP and the modern PC hardware we have now.  Most of the Amiga hardware is frozen in time, although some newer add-on cards are available for USB and ethernet connections.  If you are currently using a PC with WindowsXP or Vista, then there are probably lots of things you take for granted with the software and hardware.  You may have become accustomed to doing things a certain way with the PC hardware and software.

Many things we do on a PC can be done on an Amiga, using a different program or a different method or more than one step to get the job done.

So, for example, can I print my Word document that I created on the PC at work or school with my Amiga at home?  No, not directly.  But if you saved it in Rich Text Format (RTF) format, you may still be able to use Final Writer 97 to open the document and print it.

Another example, can I surf the net with my Amiga?  Yes, if you have the correct add-on cards and software.  Some web pages look different when rendered using an Amiga web browser.

Back in the day, I would surf the internet over dial-up modem at 19.2 Kbps with my A2000HD, running AmigaOS 3.1, AmiTCP/IP, ppp.device and Amiga Mosaic or AWeb.  I did not have an accelerator card, so it was slow.  But it worked and I was amazed.  My machine had 1 MByte ChipRAM, 4 MBytes FastRAM, a 40 MByte harddrive and a CD-ROM drive.  I used FTPMount to download programs.  I had SMTPpost to post email and AmiPOP to retrieve email, but I was dithering over which email reader to use.  I wrote a simple text only sendmail type program (in ARexx).  My ISP did not support Amiga.  I was on my own.


Now, back to you ...

You have your A500+.  If I understand correctly, it is still a good game machine for non-AGA games.  Back in the day, the A500 was a very popular model.  Many people maxed out their A500 machines with a harddrive and accelerator.  Not sure what parts are still available these days.  Not sure if there are add-on parts for USB and network connections.  Serial dial-up internet connections are still available in some areas.  I recommend an accelerator and lots of RAM for any network activities.

As the others have said, "as new" A1200 machines are in stock again because a bunch of Amiga Technologies A1200 machines built several years ago during the Escom days have became available.  Amigakit also sells refurbished machines.   A1200 was and still seems to be a very popular model.  If I understand correctly, it is also a good game machine for games using the AGA chipset.  Apparently, it is easier to obtain expansion cards and kits for the A1200.  Again, I recommend an accelerator and lots of RAM for any network activities.

There are also the other machines, the A2000, A2000HD, A2500, A3000D, A3000T, A4000D and A4000T.  These all have separate keyboards and expansion slots inside the system case.

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Re: Which is the best Amiga and why?
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2008, 03:50:09 AM »
Regarding AmigaPPC and the AmigaOne ...

I have been running OS4 for 3 years and 8 months.  I am currently running the AmigaOS 4.0 July 2007 Update.  I use my Micro AmigaOne every day. I run most of my applications from the OS4 Workbench, but I also have the AmigaOS4/PPC version of E-UAE available for some old favourites that want to see the classic Amiga chipset.  For those programs, I launch E-UAE on my OS4 Workbench.  E-UAE opens in fullscreen mode and then I run the old program on my AmigaOS 3.1 Workbench.  :-D

My system has worked very well right from day one.  Of course, I've had the usual teething problems associated with attempting to run very old software on a much newer operating system.  Also, a few minor bugs to chase down along the way.  I was using an old Maxtor harddrive from an old HP pc.  It finally gave up the ghost at the end of June this year.  Now using a Western Digital harddrive.


My advice regarding the AmigaOne hardware ... Warning, please approach with caution.

The AmigaOne SE, AmigaOne XE and Micro AmigaOne (aka MicroA1 or µA1-C) are manufacturer discontinued.  They were produced in very low volume production runs, so there are very few boards of each type available world-wide.  Some of the chips are no longer manufactured, so repairs can become very expensive.  There have been some horror stories online about the quality of the boards and the northbridge chip.  I won't pull any punches here.  I can't deny the stories, because some of them are still current.  Of course, the unhappy owners are more outspoken than the happy ones, so it is hard to know if they are the minority or the majority.

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Re: Which is the best Amiga and why?
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2008, 07:45:45 AM »
@Sim085
@Tenacious

I humbly appologize to anyone who thought I was belittling the A500 in any way.  That was not my intention at all.

Tenacious has made some really good points in his short post.  I never had an A500 and it is many years since I have seen or used one.  I keep forgetting that my stock A2000HD had similar clock speed and CPU specs as the A500.  My machine came with a harddrive.  I added a some more RAM and a CD-ROM drive but it was never anywhere close to maxed out.  Yet it ran lots of different software and was a pleasure to use.  We had some commercial software packages, including Amiga Appetizer, MicroFiche Filer, Amiga Vision and Final Writer, some games, children's software and a CD with part of the Fred Fish collection.  I also keep forgetting about Aminet, where I found much of the software I used to get online with that machine.

Sim085, I hope you have fun with your A500.  Maxed out or not it should be able to run any of the 68000 software just fine (as long as it is for the 68000 CPU).

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