When emulators outperform the real deal.

[direktorn]

Ok,
This might be an unusual topic. But I have fell in love with my miggy again, this time it's not the real deal.
 
I have three A4000 so I'm a genuine Amiga lover, done a lot of work for the community in the past, so don't get me wrong.
 
But running WinUAE just works so perfect. My 2560x1200 screen it beutiful. Running mp3, torrents, browsers, msn, facebook all works like a charm.
 
Most of the times when you think about emulation you think about a crippled experience where you never actually reach the full experience - think about when you tried to run NES 8-bit emulators on your A1200 and you hope'd that most games would work and they didn't..
 
WinAUE even allows me to run UAE within the Amiga and watch demos at full speed but with no sound. That I'd call impressive.
 
Last weekend I sat up to about 4AM and forgot time and place and played with all the "new" versions of apps that had came out after I left the Amiga in the dark about 8-10 years ago. Impressive.

[direktorn]

Yeah, but for playing classic Amiga games it sucks! For instance, the sound is not synchronous with the game.

I do not play games but I have watched all my top demos where timing is even more critical than on games and they have so far not failed. Can you point me to a game that does not work?

[direktorn]

While I accept that there are limitations to emulation in terms of latency, I don't get the view point that the latency is actually so detrimental that it's impossible to use them.
 
I think the look of the graphics on an LCD is far more distracting, although most LCD TV's have latency as well. Unless you're using an FPGA on a 1084 then it's going to spoil the experience far more.

We are talking 6ms or less on a modern LCD screen, an eye would never be able to spot that, I'd like to se someone with an reaction time of less than 6ms, most will not be able to respond quicker then 600ms.
 
I'm a gamer, one of the best in Battlefield2/3 and I had my share on Counter-Strike and I'd challenge anyone saying you can notice lag on my WinUAE rig.

[direktorn]

I do not upscale when I'm running Amiga games, I run them in a window.
You rarley see a game that goes from white/black instantlly and LCD has simular effects as the phosphor takes some time to change.

[direktorn]

I still prefer CRT's. Anyone with me on this? Yeah... CRT's don't work well with the modern OS's or the internet these days due to graphic/font anti-aliasing being on absolutely everything (which is to cater for non CRT displays of course) but I still feel they're the best for gaming. There's no latency, and the colour and contrast of CRT's still appeal to my eyes. The circuitry in CRT's drifts with age though and without adjustment ends up looking like crap, which doesn't help my case does it. LOL.
Nice to have both is what I say. We're living in an age where we're spoilt for choice... and we really shouldn't complain about choice. If we don't like modern computing then buy an old computer and download old software, or use UAE, or don't use UAE. I use both. :knuddel:

I bet you prefer vinyl over CD's or download to? ;-)
 
I guess this could be a battle between "warm" and "sharp". Analog has a tendency of being seen as a "warm" way, it goes back to analog amplifiers, vinyl etc. Digital is the nasty thing that converts everything to ugly 1's and 0's ;-)
 
But I'd prefer to use my full HD+3D projector over any CRT one, I'd prefer my warm Apple Cinema 30" display over anything analog. For me It's not about being "retro" it's about trying to a combination of old and new tech - and that combination for me is priceless.

[direktorn]

600ms? That's 0.6 seconds...I think all of us here (being Amiga fans) have quicker responses than that. :laugh1:

yes over half a sec, If we met in person I'd like to challenge you for a duel

[direktorn]

Yes, music prefers vinyl as well.
 
Like you say, it's about personal choice and freedom...for which we should all be grateful.

True, we are not the same. I love my audio gears and I have worked in a HiFi store many, many years ago and had the pleasure to got introduced to Rotel, Alpine, JBL, Klipsch, Kef and even my friends at B&O. I never got stuck on Analog as I'm 36 and my vinyl collection is more or less 10 albums until I switched. Now I'm more into home chinema spent over €10.000 on these things.

[direktorn]

With 3D Printing technology it will only be a matter of time before we could just print out a new classic Amiga.

:laughing:

[direktorn]

Every time you turn your amiga on, you use up what is remaining of its functional existence
 
These machines have a finite life.

True, but we are not there yet..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KETi6FO565s&feature=player_embedded

[direktorn]

For me, sometimes its not always all about performance. For some of these older machines there's appeal is seeing what results you can get on them. The almost, "instant on" nature, plus some other quirks of the physical device are some charateristics that cant be emulated as well.
 
Now having said that there's definately things I like about emulation too. As some here probably know Im a big amithlon fan. Having the sorts of raw grunt available to emulation on x86 systems can really freshen up OS3.x. making it not far removed from the NG options.
 
I love my a1200, but theyre just different kettles of fish.

I think you said it well. It seems we have to different kind of miggy-friendes here:
 
1.) The retro type that want to play and watch demos/games as it used to be 20 years ago, preferably on a TV with a RF-modulator or a RGB-cable. They are not any speedfreaks and had never owned a accelrator card in their lives.
 
2.) The kind I belongs to, that still insists and try to make my amiga a real-day-to-day workhorse. We love PPC and AmigaOS 4.1 and try to use AmigaOS for surfing the web, play games, mp3, listen to webradio. We never gave up and had faith for a long time and still thinks AmigaOS has a place beyond gaming.
 
My initial reason for creating this thread where not to create a blame war about how one should exerience the amiga platform, rather a post to say "hey Amiga still rocks!".
 
The real thing is still the real thing but not everyone has unlimited space in their homes to have unlimited computers. My PC is already hooked up to my amplifier and so to my flatscreen and my projector and with digital audio from HDMI.
 
For me it's the same with NES emulators, for two weeks ago I played Kid Icarus from start on my Windows box using a Wireless USB gamepad together with my projector, wow that worked great. Sure I could have hooked up NES to my amp and that would have worked to but would have taken me some time to setup, this was more a click-n-run thing.