How is OS4 ?

[Framiga]

It's fine although it's slower and more primitive than MorphOS*(it's quite noticeable if you compare MorphOS1.4.5 and OS4 on Classics, it's slower in almost every way: 2d graphics, 3d graphics, hd access, worst access to other filesystems, slower/worse usb support...).

sorry Crumb but i don't agree!

In everyday use on my CSPPC, AOS4 is much responsive than Morphos 1.4.5 (with MUI4 and a recent Ambient). If you are speaking about the barebone 1.4.5 with MUI 3.9 the comparision is not fair, because most of the recent apps, requires MUI4 :-)

[Framiga]

how do you know what skin i'm using?

Its slower, period :-) more advanced/bloated but slower.

[Framiga]

People tend to use default configuration and skins, and i repeat, that config was way too heavy for a classic configuration (antialiased truetype fonts, blending, ...). Maybe you also use serial debug, which wouldn't be a good idea, considering that MUI4 build was some debug version.

But with a suited skin/fonts, it can't be slower than OS4, no.

i have to insist .... it is :-)

[Framiga]

You must have some configuration problem with your setup then because MorphOS gfx are way faster and is much more responsive than OS4, don't get me started on HD access speed. BTW, you can install both MUI4 and a more recent build of Ambient on 1.4.5 (just like you install boinbags on OS4)

MorphOS team activated some delays in the menus, go to MUI prefs and reduce them to 0. My CSPPC with Picasso4/CV64 is way faster with MorphOS than it is with OS4.x (even if I use Prometheus/Mediator4000 with Voodoo3 on OS4 side).

Crumb ... i have used Morphos 1.4.5 for Classic since the very first release and it is slower than AOS4. Threr's nothing you or me can do to change this. On some "more powerful" (lol) machines  you won't notice all this slowness but on a classic 200 Mhz machine, you will (above all with a BPPC). as i said is more advanced but too bloated for classic.

[Framiga]

@framiga

I*used MorphOS since the first release and also OS4 (years before it was released and years after it was released) and you must have some configuration problem in you MorphOS install because it's faster than OS4 in almost everything. I have used it with Permedia2, G-Rex+Voodoo3, PicassoIV, CV3D and CV64 and gfx were always faster in MorphOS. You can install more recent Ambient builds and also WB, but MorphOS always works faster. No just in my machine but also in my friends ones. Gfx, 68k emulation, I/O, response speed... all is faster with MorphOS. The only missing stuff from 1.4.5 is the tcp/ip stack but you can install mosnet/miamidx/Genesis... even some OS4 beta components like Roadshow 68k ;-)

you are too much biased  (and probably short in memory) to understand that i already tryed everything to make Morphos 1.4.5 "useable" on classic (FYI i'm one of the few who got up and running AmigaOS3.9-Morphos 1.4.5 and AmigaOS4 on my CSPPC-CVPPC and helped others users to fix variuos issues when 1.4.5 was released).

Your not speaking with a newbie, so please refrain to insist with that "you must have some configuration problem in you MorphOS instal" because it is simply not true. Thanks!

[Framiga]

I propose that because OP chose to ask how "cool" and "fun" something is (which is ENTIRELY based on opinion), that everyones opinion is on-topic.

Including all the opinions that OS4.1 is inferior to MOS.
This entire thread is a predictable result. (and an enjoyable one IMHO).

is MorphOS not MOS .... do you wanna get other 10 pages of complaints? :rolleyes:

[Framiga]

Sure, I remember old threads but there's nothing that requires special skills in making OS39/OS4/MOS work in the same hardware. I made the first MorphOS1.4.5 version work on a G-Rex 4000 and some time before OS4 Classic was released I convinced the Friedens to add an option so G-Rex would be ignored (so the user had the chance to use a ZorroIII gfx card -including Mediator or Prometheus- in addition to the G-Rex). Later Frank Mariak listened to the users like me that asked CV64/CV3D/PicassoIV support and he added it so I could test more hardware.

I also helped users to install both MorphOS and AmigaOS4 and even did a small install guide txt to install MorphOS powerup.

In addition to that I installed both OS4 & MorphOS on a pair of A1200 with Permedia2

When you boot OOTB MorphOS or OS4 just drag a window. On MorphOS it's silky smooth and on OS4 it's not (I'm talking about Permedia2, CV64, CV3D, PicassoIV and Voodoo3). If you adjust MUI skins and disable delays MorphOS flies (even if you compare it to OS4.x with basic OS3.x skin)

As a disadvantage you have to add that A1200 OS4 version doesn't have scsi support.

I also tested OS4 with RetinaZ3, Algor, Highway, Norway, Prometheus, Toccata, ConciertoIV, X-Surf...



You haven't stated which Ambient/MUI versions you are using or if your binaries are stripped. You haven't stated your settings either. I'll repeat: you must have some configuration problem because using modern Ambient and MUI4 it should go faster (at least all systems I have configured run faster than the same system with OS4).

if you had done the same tweaks on AOS4 too, you would get that AmigaOS4 for classic is way smoother than Morphos 1.4.5 ... but obviously you didn't! anyway is a moot point, beeing AmigaOS4 and morphos 1.4.5 for classic both dead.

[Framiga]

MorphOS is smoother than OS4 (with RTG obviously since AGA is not supported on MorphOS powerup). OS4 default settings are unfortunately too slow for AGA... solid window dragging is pathethic on AGA and should have been disabled as default. Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DHpRYQj1hg

@framiga

I explained you that switching to OS3.x skin speeds up OS4 but whatever, MorphOS still works smoother on Classic hardware.

if this make you feel better, ok then ...

[Framiga]

MorphOS is smoother than OS4 (with RTG obviously since AGA is not supported on MorphOS powerup). OS4 default settings are unfortunately too slow for AGA... solid window dragging is pathethic on AGA and should have been disabled as default. Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DHpRYQj1hg

LOL ... unbelievable! your posting a test with a BPPC @160 Mhz with 64 megs of ram on AGA ... what a delusion!, i thought you were a much more correct person/user! whatsup lately mos guys? the Timberwolf thing is hard to swallow? wasn't "pratically impossible to port"? are you all a bit "nervous"?

ah, btw .... since you are going so "low" ... mos OWB 1.8 port IS un-useable under Classic, much more advanced than the OS4 one (thats perfectly useable on classic btw) but NOT useable (3 pages and you are out of mem!)

Nobodys' perfect .... face it

[Framiga]

@Framiga

The AGA demo was in response to my claim that OS4 classic wasn't that bad even on AGA. On my 240MHz BPPC with a sensible 16-colour PAL interlace (externally FF'd) display, it wasn't. At least no worse than the same display on OS3.x.

yes i know ... i've messed up a bit with quoting :-)