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Re: Amiga One or Pegasos?
« on: March 06, 2003, 08:30:37 PM »
@Lando

This thread was going well until you started to make it about anything but the products themselves.

Go and troll somewhere else.
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Re: Amiga One or Pegasos?
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2003, 09:25:07 PM »
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I don't "troll" anywhere Ray, here included.  And I resent you insinuating otherwise.  I stated facts.


Your opinion-based "facts" are nothing more than that -- opinion -- and whether they are based on your perception of a situation or otherwise, they have no place in a discussion about hardware and software merits.
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Re: Amiga One or Pegasos?
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2003, 10:43:04 PM »
@JoannaK

Well JoannaK, since I work for Amiga Inc and I know these things, yes, I guess you could say I DO know "The Truth" and I know more than anyone who comes to this topic could ever bring to it -- except for maybe Bill or Fleecy themelves.  So, if that was some attempt on your part to belittle me and amuse the onlookers, you just failed.

Regardless..  It really, in this instance, doesn't matter who knows what or what the opinion is on Amiga Inc., it still has no bearing on this topic.

In the end it is just another childish excuse/attempt to beat on Amiga Inc.
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Re: Amiga One or Pegasos?
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2003, 12:05:13 AM »
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To *BELITTLE* you? Who do you think you are?
Bill Gates?


Splitting hairs are we?  Go look up the meaning of "belittle."  My comment makes no inference of being better than anyone.
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Re: Amiga One or Pegasos?
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2003, 02:35:23 AM »
@Joanna

:roll: Incorrect and irrelevant to the topic.
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Re: Amiga One or Pegasos?
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2003, 10:51:11 AM »
@Hooligan_DCS

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@Mr.Akey and Mr.Frieden

Could you comment about my earlier post in this thread, point by point? In mature and constructive way, like I did. No need to start flaming and calling me a troller.


Well, I can try.  However, you must understand that there are some issues that I can't address and I certainly won't speak for or against our competition's product as I don't have any of their products for which to base a comparison.   Now if they'd care to send me one..  (hey, I had to try didn't I?   ;-))

Anyways, I'll answer what I quote:

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I'd put it this way. AmigaOne without OS4 is practically useless.


I wouldn't quite put it this way.  While it is currently useless as an amiga (being without the AmigaOS until the OS is released to run on it) it does presently run Linux. :-)

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And judging by late silence from Amiga


We (Amiga) are quite busy but we, as you know, are not working directly on AmigaOS 4 nor are we the manufacturer of the AmigaOne.  These are partner projects and we have a clause w.r.t to ownsership of AmigaOS 4.

Amiga's internal developers are working on the APIs that will embrace and extend the future of AmigaOS (but not the forthcoming AmigaOS 4.0) as well as working on AmigaDE/Anywhere content.

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Hyperion folks can't even give an estimate when it will be ready, it doesn't look too good.


I think we've pretty much agreed that giving dates that might be overshot or missed deadlines is a bad thing given the slagging that we take for it, when unforseen delays occur..  Fear not, the silence is a good thing. It means that those developers are working their behinds off instead of fielding rumors and speculations about their efforts and activities.

I can't and won't speak for Hyperion and/or Eyetech so, you'll have to wait for one of their people to answer questions related to the status and timing of their products.

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Meanwhile there are hundreds of Pegasos' floating around used by developers. And some of them I'd call "Keypeople of community". Those developers won't necessarily never do any good for A1/OS4.


I don't think you really have anything to worry about here.  The developers who really want to make a difference, who see opportunity wherever it knocks, will either come back to developer for AmigaOS or may even develop for both operating systems.

My opinion, having developed software for many platforms; including AmigaOS, QNX RtP, Linux, FreeBSD, Windows and others long past) is this: Only the developers who have a vendetta/hate against one company or the other, or are indifferent to an API,  will refuse to develop for the other OS.

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Also, while waiting for OS4 to arrive, MOS gets better and more polished every day.
OS4 looks good on paper, MOS looks good now.
AmigaOne doesn't look good on paper, Pegasos2 does.


Paper specs, while possibly impressive, really mean nothing until the product is released.  As you may have noticed lately, there are issues with hardware that can spring up and effect a change of plans.

It's your choice to buy whatever product you feel suits your needs best but I'd wait until both are available if you're really uncertain about one or the other.  The final result(s) might surprise you, one way or the other.

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And those two items are likely to arrive just about the same time (3rd quarter 2003 as I quessed
WHEN Peg2 and A1/OS4 arrives, there's (hopefully) quite nice set of software available for MOS, when developing for A1 only *begins*.


True, but the AmigaOne has the dinstinction of being a product based directly on the original AmigaOS with a newly rewritten ExecSG.  Amiga has legacy and for what it's worth (as others call it) "the name" on its side.   I can't speak for the efforts or motives of other companies.

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Looking at the situation from this point of view, it's obvious who leaves the ring undefeated.


That depends on a huge number of yet unpredictable factors.  There are many things, both visible and invisible that could shape this. If you're unsure of either side, sit on the fence until both are released and the dust settles.

Of course, you may also be in a position to buy both systems, as some others have said they would do.  Though, my experience is that once you have chosen, unless you really dislike something about your first choice, odds are you won't buy the other system.

Right now, it might be too much of a gamble for some individuals to choose yet.  If you aren't sure .. wait.  Amiga's product WILL be delivered.  And I mean ALL of the ones still promised -- yes, including the t-shirts (sorry Hooligan, had to appease the trolls :-))

Or you can buy an AmigaOne now and get your free OS (as Kay said) when it is released. :-)

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My point of view only, fuel up the flamethrowers.


No need. You asked for information without being particularly inflammatory -- a class act.
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Re: Amiga One or Pegasos?
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2003, 02:14:37 AM »
@SlimJim

Well said and good suggestions.

It hasn't been announced anywhere but Fleecy has determined, even before the first CAM was released, that we will eventually release the CAM contents to the general public.  He said after an issue is released, the previous issue should be opened up to the public.  However, I believe (and you'll probably hate me for it ;-) but I pride myself on honesty) that two issues should pass before the third-last CAM issue is released to the public so as to underscore the value that Club members get.

In the end, Fleecy will decide what the period of revelation is but trust me, you will see what is in the CAM issues once CAM members have digested it.  :-D
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