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Re: I would/wouldn't like a production run of 060's
« on: August 18, 2013, 08:22:48 PM »
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It is 2013 and you are still letting Apple brainwash you.  This makes me very sad. :(

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He does have a point though ... Making really fast new 68k cpu that would be pin compatible to 040 would get a lot of interest in Mac68K and Atari camps and who knows where else ...

060 wasn't used that much in computers ...

I don't think Freescale would go after you unless it causes them big financial damage and retro market is not what they consider a market at all ...

And I hope you're not _really_ dying ??? :confused:
 

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Re: I would/wouldn't like a production run of 060's
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2013, 09:00:39 PM »
One thing that always made me wonder about 040 was that frequency doubling inside the core ...

So if the externally 040 works at 25 Mhz it works at 50 Mhz internally which is probably why it gets so hot (that and the integrated FPU which NOBODY really needs :p) ...

Technology of chip production at that time was the reason they couldn't push it beyond that  but I think that if someone made them today they would run cold ?

Also , would it be possible instead of doubling the frequency inside the core to quadruple it or even go 8 x 16 x 32 x :biglaugh:
 

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Re: I would/wouldn't like a production run of 060's
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2013, 10:27:27 PM »
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I am a tech at Intel in Arizona and work on a series of tool sets in the fab that produces modern CPUs. I can tell you 100% without a doubt that you will not get a FAB to produce a small run of chips. For one thing the wafers in use now are 12" and the old 8" wafers are hard to come by and not cheap. The lithography tools that produce the die are million dollar tools alone and are no longer in use to produce the chip. You would have to get a new set of die made and those are hundreds of thousands for a complete set to make a chip. The man power to run the tool sets, the routes for automation and the cutters, packagers and assembly is all out of production. This would all have to be set back up again and thats not going to happen for a small run.

Just buy a used one, its the best your ever going to get. Get creative in looking for them. The AMiga is far from the only thing that used an 060. LOTS of older embedded systems used them. Heck while I was in the Navy I found a ton of old single board computers that had 040 and 060 chips in them. If you look, you will find them.

I was thinking more like using FPGA instead of a real chip and making it pin compatible by soldering it to a small PCB with 040 pins ...

I think it would still cost hundreds of thousand but if you got interest from say 5000 people on kickstarter (so only Amiga project would not do here , it would have to be Mac and Atari too) you could probably make it for something around 100-200 $ per cpu ...
 

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Re: I would/wouldn't like a production run of 060's
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2013, 10:43:56 PM »
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Another possibility is a bounty or kickstarter to make an ARM JIT to run Motorola bytecodes.  You should be able to get 300Mhz 060 speed (without MMU) on a wide variety of cheap ARM cpus.

There is no 68060 JIT for iphones because Steve Jobs personally banned it.

But everyone is allowed to code 68060 JIT for ARM cpus for 10 other devices.

There are multiple 1.0+ Ghz ARM cpu computers (usually with 2-4 cores) in the $99.00 range typically with 1GB+ of RAM.
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I looked into that ... Better option than ARM would be x86 compatible tiny passive cooling single core boards ...

http://www.via.com.tw/en/resources/pressroom/pressrelease.jsp?press_release_no=1547

It's 1.8 Ghz and has 1 Gb and is cheaper than Raspberry Pi on EBay ... (EDIT : Still in production for a price of 250$)

Making FPGA card with Amiga chipset and combining it with this would give you *fast* Amiga ... :hammer:
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