I am giving up AmigaOS4

[DaveP]

MagicSN - you work for Hyperion right? I KNOW you have data on how many A1s sold..

And so do I.

 and you KNOW deep in your heart its not where near as many as Pegs out there.

I KNOW from a simple SQL query, and counting of unique users on mailing lists that it is more than the number of Pegs out there claimed by Genesi recently on ppcnux.

But that doesn't matter, Im sure you can persaude me, deep in my heart, to believe you. ;-)

I'm quite surprised Hyperion doesnt want to do port for peg2 to make $$ because the Ami market will not sustain them. Also, with Articia the industrial market wont happen due to unreliable technology. This is a known fact with high level people in the industry.

On the contrary Im not surprised about you saying any of these things. Still thats not what I heard, Ive heard rumours that a price tag was named and Bill Buck didn't have the money. I've also heard that 40,000 Euros wasn't enough to license the Atari name. Go figure.

I'm more convinced each time I read one of your posts that you do not know how the computer industry works, the cost of anything or even much about running engineering projects.

Quite what is your area of expertise?

I also use my Peg2 G4@1ghz with Debian Linux 2.4.24 and its very fast - some things faster than 3ghx Athlon!

Careful, sounds like the kind of claim that KennyR finds so risible. :rofl

[DaveP]

The OS4 development team does not just consist of Hyperion employees.

Yes, this seems strange, doesn't it. One might guess there is something restricting them from doing this. Perhaps the departure of AI would also help this situation

Nah, perhaps Genesi saving up money in the piggybank will help this sisutation. Perhaps thats why they dropped their advertising banners, for that very reason. A penny saved and all that.

[DaveP]

@Golem

Want rumours? Magnetics or mine? :-)

Actually I have a factual basis for my rumours whom you would give most credibility to - considering your platform choice - but given they are from a source that it would be dishonourable to quote without their permission they remain rumours and not facts as far as public forums are concerned. ;-)

@-D-

I agree.

[DaveP]

bloodline wrote:
@DaveP & MagicSN

Given your sainted positions, wouldn't it be more sensible to actually provide facts and infomration rather than just throwing petrol on these pointless flame fest threads?

Thats interesting, so its ok for magnetic, who doesn't and couldn't have a clue to speculate and throw petrol on the flame fest thread, but when someone who actually has an insight and could have a clue about the truth of the matter speculates its them that needs to provide the facts and information. :-)

Love it! :-)

As you well know, Eyetechs sales figures are Eyetechs business to reveal not mine, not yours, not magnetics. Genesi's specific dealings with the brandholders for Atari are for Genesi to reveal, not mine, yours or magnetics. Genesi and Hyperions conversations/figures are for them to reveal, not me, not yours or magnetics.

In the meantime we are stuck with speculation, what fun, so long as you treat it as such and don't take it so personally.

Given there are apparently moles in both camps at the moment that we know of, perhaps you might want to ask a mole

[DaveP]

Yes, but Magnetic isn't in the same position (AFAIK) as you and Stiffen. He may specualate since he has no other infomration to go on. if you know the facts, then you do not need to make any comments unless you can provide these facts.

I don't need to do anything, Im volunteering information, identifying it as a rumour.

Interestingly enough no one objected to rumours that were identified as such during the commodore buyout. But I also find it odd that you want to gag those that might know as opposed to those who could not possibly know.

Ok, so you can't share this information. Then there is no point stiring this up! Fine state your postion, but surely this doesn't require you to reitterate the point needlessly?

Selective here in your criticism aren't you? And yes, of course it does, but as far as I can see, I have stated it this once, maybe people will remember that there is an alternative story there and if some of the powers that be decide to release some evidence to support my "rumour-mongering" then that will end it once and for all.

If you wanted to shut up magnetic, as well as myself, I would have respected your point more.

Dave.

[DaveP]

magnetic wrote:
@DaveP

 Ok I've had quite enough of your foolishness. You talk alot of trash, and YOU dont know what you are talking about.

Deary me, you want to get a handle on that temper I think.

I hinted as to where I got the information from, if you refuse to believe me then that is your concern.

I dont know if you are trying to piss me off to have me fly into a rage and break NDAs and talk about the messed up Articia and Atari and whatever else, but I wont.

No need, Ive already exchanged correspondance with Bill Buck on most matters, and I have to say he is a gentleman in his correspondance unlike your reply here.

 I know what is going on. You hope to know. Yes, you have knowledge but your info on Genesi is way wrong.

I could say exactly the same thing about you and AOS4/A1 side of things, but surely it should be patently obvious. I at least have the grace to identify rumour as such.

the FACTS are

1. You and all the fanboys know if you had data that had more A1s sold than Pegs you would be shouting it out all over the net.

Is that what passes for a counterargument from you? Calling me a fanboy? Saying that because you have not observed behaviour as bad as yours from me there can be no credibility to what I have said?

2. As long as A1 has Articia it will not be used for industrial applications

As long as Linux does not have fixed drivers it won't be used for industrial applications, however OS4 is another matter but you will see, in time.

3. OS4 full release wont be out until who knows when maybe 6-8 MORE months - I mean even the die-hards are mad now

I wouldn't call amidelf a die hard. Sure people are annoyed but thats called life. I don't agree with your assessment of the situation but that is probably just down to a difference in what I know, and what you do not. In the mean time hopefully the prerelease will be signed off by the betatesters and released to the wider audience.

4. Amiga OS 4 will never catch MOS

OK, now we are into sophistry.

5. Genesi has delivered every promise to community Amiga has done nothing.

Firstly Genesi has not delivered on every promise, they have delivered on some of them and more power to them for doing so. However, yet another entirely subjective argument  beckons there so lets not go there.

ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US

Oooooo kayy.... would you like more rope? Ive got some here if that is starting to chafe.

[DaveP]

-D- wrote:

Given there are apparently moles in both camps at the moment that we know of,
perhaps you might want to ask a mole

DaveP are you serious? Now that's just a bit retarded.

Im serious, and no kidding about the silliness of it all.

[DaveP]

I have no idea who Magnetic is.

A Pegasos dealer.

I had no intention of gagging you. I was pointing out that it does little to help these threads when you way "I know you are all wrong, but I'm not going to tell you why".

Where did I do that? I identified what I said as counter rumour and identified that I know, from at least the information I can see, that A1s have outsold Pegs so far.

I was urging you to enlighten us rather than jeer from the sidelines, at our ignorance.

Firstly I don't recall jeering from the sidelines and I already explained why I cannot enlighten you further.

[DaveP]

magnetic wrote:

Edit - forget it, this is needlessly heated and totally pointless. You want to slag me off magnetic, go ahead.

[DaveP]

Warface wrote:
If there are more AmigaONE sales than Pegasos ones, what's the point of Eyetech not publishing their numbers, and giving out announcements with such wording, that no comparison can be made? (namely the "ATX form factor" issue)

Ask them.

Sorry, It's just too hard to believe you.

I take no offence whatsoever. As I said, if and when Eyetech publish any figures it will either back up my headcount or make me look an idiot. I don't mind at all.

 But if there are more AmigaONE users than Pegasos users, it's good to us, as there are more than twice new machines around than the known Pegasos numbers.

Thats a VERY healthy way to look at it.