@Bill
One short example of "bias", although in this case I suspect it was more in the nature of threading but here we go.
Wayne wrote an innaccurate slam of AOS4 development and the impact of a Dongle on a business plan in a very pro Genesi/MorphOS posting of his.
I answered pointing out the flaws and asking him exactly what he was referring to.
This went back and forth with Wayne admitting he was confusing the DE license with AOS4 but he would not explain how the dongle impacted the business scenario only to say that it some nebulous way it did. Nice puff piece and slam piece.
It went back and forth again only for Wayne to call me an Amiga Inc fanboy.
I posted a rebuttal of this and a call to complete the debate of the issue he was having trouble with.
Next thing I know a load of my posts were deleted.
Then I reposted the last ( and largest one of them ).
Then ALL our posts on the subject, including Waynes, were dropped.
Now heres the problem. There are a number of ways to interpret this:
1. Someone was moderating in Waynes favour, if he got an awkward question that embarrased him, they would delete it. Ian Shurmer has also seen this happen to him btw.
2. Wayne was moderating comments he couldn't reply to.
3. Someone else thought Wayne had brought it on himself, had dragged the thread off topic and moderated the whole lot.
Id like to believe (3) but considering there was a full 6 or so hours of selectively deleting my responses and me reposting what I had saved ( I only saved them after I noticed them "going missing" ).
So, you could interpret it as Amiga.org moderation collectively moderating in favour of the pro Genesi and flawed ( in this instance ) anti Triachy statements of its webmaster.
Wheres the evidence? I have some saved versions of the thread and another website thread commenting on it but heres the thing - if you are able to remove Trotsky from the picture, what evidence Trotsky was there?
I also don't know how you can say ( in the other place ) that Wayne stepped down before accepting a post at Genesi. This is not in the public domain, all that I see is that he merely stepped down before starting his role officially.
Finally, I feel that you are being extremely hard on Mikey_C on this site and more than a little ruder than I have ever seen you before, can we have a cessation of hostilities if not open reconciliation?
Sure we both know what has gone on in the past wrt to a few issues but it would be nice if we could all move the debate on from the past and on to doing something productive for the product set competing in this marketplace lest they both become stillborn.
So please, don't tell me that the moderation here was unbiased, it was, not necessarily "pro Genesi" but certainly "pro lets remove stuff that embarrasses moderators".
There are many strong cases of poor corporate behaviour by Genesi and Amiga Inc, and people have many reasons to "despise" ( although why get so emotionally involved ) either. Doesn't make for a clear dividing line between right and wrong though and is certainly no reason for this continuous personality assassinaion we see against anyone who is part of Amiga Inc, affiliated with or merely just a user who is waiting for one of their products.
Not so long ago I wanted to delete my account after a serious falling out with a moderator ( over moderating decisions ) and we took it offline and with the help of Kees have come to a level of understanding. As far as I am concerned, Amiga.org is on some kind of "probation" ( although that sounds more pompous than I really mean ) and if Kees can make it work, then Ill stick around, if not Ill just stick to AmigaWorld.net for discussing Amigas and cool stuff on the A1 and ANN for crossing swords and keeping in contact with the other main part of the community.
Just because a lot of "us" are fed up with the same old record going round does not make BAFs the minority or mean that we do not have anything to talk about. If you were having a conversation with someone about what you like about your car and someone else kept interrupting with juvenile insults, comparisons with another car and insults directed at the CEO of the car company you and your friends would first ask them to politely desist, second maybe argue and finally if the irritating tick doesn't quit it move on elsewhere so you can actually have that conversation.
Unfortunately people see Forums as a place where semi-private conversations cannot be held ( that is a conversation amongst like minded people ) and that every conversation has the right to be bombed with self indulgent crap and irreleventia in the nature of "freedom of speech". Without the ability to put various people on /ignore and spread ignore lists it was only a matter of time before those that want to talk Amigas, do so on AmigaWorld.net where such conversation disruption is moderated strongly.
For the price of a bit less freedom you get many more conversations actually complete. And guess what? The need to repeat the same old cr*p is much less into the bargain!
Dave.
