Dr. Greg Perry of GPSoftware on Directory Opus for AmigaOS 4

[DaveP]

Given that everyone seems to focus on Hyperion so far, lets take a look at Mr Perry.

Im sorry but even back then Greg asked a stupid
question "do they still exist" knowing the answer
I mean it is not as if Australasia isnt connected
to the Internet, cannot access Hyperions mailing
lists, Amiga.org or ANN.

"I remember he already claimed a few months back
that he hasn't got any money yet and that all the
emails he send to Hyperion were not answered. I
remember the sentence: "Anybody knows if
Hyperion still exists?"

Ben said back then that there is no problem and they
simply had not enough time IIRC."

Greg is another example of yet another Amiga
based ( although most of the products are Windows
these days ) entreprenuer that likes to use the
"community" to exert pressure on other companies
and play the victim game. Playing to the gallery anyone?

Greg personally might be a decent enough chap but
his business methods stink and AmigaOS4 would
be well shot of DOpus and him in my view.

There is something quite fishy about this and I wouldnt take Gregs word on the matter.

this.respectForGregPerry--;

[DaveP]

"Sorry but I don't understand you."
Well read it again. Im sure it will come clear.

" I mean he hasn't
got the money yet and negotiations seem to have
stopped."
Did I say anything about that? No. I said that asking
if they still exist was clearly playing to the gallery and
was a stupid question.

" Even back in May(?) Hyperion *confirmed*
that they haven't payed him yet. So this guy has all
rights to complain about that. Of course he could
also have just sued them for not paying as for
example every other employee would do if his
company doesn't pay him. "
Or he could have picked up the frickin phone, faxed or got a
solicitor to send a warning letter with an invoice.

Going straight from email to public announcements on the web is strange practise. It is almost
as if he wants to cause maximum embarrassment and reduce
the potential to sort this out amicably to zero in BOTH cases
this and the LAST(May). Thats my problem with him, none
of the rest of it ( if he has a valid complaint or not ) is
any of our business.

His business methods stink. There is something political
about this.

I have had to negotiate with non payment debtors to me ( one and
a half million pounds anyone? )
and you NEVER do it this way. It is pointless showmanship
and is just frankly a juvenile way to manage a business
relationship.

[DaveP]

@Bill

GP is responsible for the company and also company relationships
if JP did this without his permission and knowledge I would
be very surprised but even more saddenned by the complete
lack of competance shown in the Amiga market.

>I find your attack on Perry perplexing, and can only explain it by a desire to protect Hyperion's image at all costs.

No. I said it is none of my business if he has a real problem
with Hyperion or not. I personally do not care about
protecting Hyperions image but I am fed up with disputes
like this being thrown straight into the public domain instead
of following the standard methods.

It is like going straight
to maximum DEFCON. I also said he might have a legitimate complaint, I don't know and
Im not sure I care.

I abhor his method of handling the dispute to go from email
to the web is ludicrous. That smacks of the political. You are chosing
to interpret the word "political" as being playing the MOS vs
AOS game which I see no evidence for and I am surprised
that you think I was indicating he was point scoring for his
competitors.

But now I am repeating myself.

Exclusive contracts or not is irrelevant to MY issue with Greg's
business methods which I have explained above.

In fact I had the same issue with Bill, Ben and Fleecy over publically
beating their chests about the copyright issue - I said at the
time it was no way to conduct it "get into court" I said, issue
a writ I said.

"It is now the middle of December and it seems things weren't "worked out" after all. Call me cynical, but I'd be ready to place a large bet that Hyperion want to postpone paying until they have time to do the port and put it on the market."

Yep, that may be so.

"There is no doubt that GPSoft should have taken all private measures to resolve the issue before going public, but we don't know that they haven't already done so, and maybe going public is the last chance saloon before terminating the contract altogether."

The last chance saloon is solicitor involvement, as I said
before. I am sure that if GP had gone through this they
would have said as much: "Hyperion are even ignoring our
solicitors letters".

What I said stands Bill, their business ethics stink. Sure, Hyperions
might stink too.

[DaveP]

@Kronos

There are two things we know for a certain fact:

1. This has moved to a public slanging match.

2. The issue has not been resolved to the satisfaction of all parties.

Im not inclined to believe one over the other but I do know this,
things are not made better by public humiliation, they are made
worse. If you really want to resolve something you do not
back your "quarry" into a corner like this. You follow legal means,
once you start to get legal the "quarry" takes you seriously
and puts Paul ahead of Peter because Paul has called a lawyer
and Peter is just sending emails without return-receipt on.

Sure, I have my private opinion of the Bernie vs H+P issue
and frankly the vitriolic contribution of Harald have meant that I am more
likely to take Bernies side over the dispute. However that
is over a dispute and not the "going public" which I have
my own views on.

[DaveP]

Note also that GP did not want this thing cross posted
or reposted without his permission.

I still stand by my comments about using the public
as judge and jury being unprofessional and all too damn
frequently resorted to.

[DaveP]

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[DaveP]

@Bill

Note I said Ben Fleecy and Bill.


"I still think making a point of attacking GPSoft over this is an overreaction. AFAIK, this issue is the only one GPSoft have gone public over, whereas I'm pretty sure we can dredge up at least half-a-dozen occasions when Ben Hermans has done the very same thing."

This is a financial dispute, not allegations of sleaze
( which I agree are bad enough ) and the May post
was put out there to cause a furore AFTER only emails had been resorted to. The route to take is known to all companies.

We will have to disagree about my reaction to GPSoft being an "over-reaction".

Bernie, correct me if I am wrong went through a hell of a lot more than just a few emails that were not responded to before using the public to try and convict H+P and HF on his behalf.

If all GPSoft do is not get an answer to a few emails before they go public I would put it to you that THEY are the ones that over-reacted and acted precipitously and this Mailing List comment no matter how provoked is secondary.

I am not an apologist for anyone, and never will be and was quite offended that you thought I was apologising for Hyperion.

In the real world, you just do not do business this
way and you CERTAINLY do not handle disputes this way.

Saying that because Ben Hermans nailed Thendic and BPlan to the wall over MorphOS justifies a greater lapse in standards of someone else is just apologism for GPSoft.

[DaveP]

@AvatharV

"JFTR, if I got stiffed on a business deal and someone asked me how it was going, I would have most likely responded the same. If contracts are being honored, there would be nothing ill to say about it, would there?"

JFTR if you got shafted on a contract then you have to open a dispute. The dispute either gets resolved before legal action or it goes to court. If it goes to court and you win then you can beat your chest and say you were wronged. Until that point it is a dispute.

You are accepting the word of GPSoft on this only knowing what GPSoft has said on the subject and using the "no smoke without fire" argument.

In the real world real people follow due process to resolve disputes. In this Amiga fantasy world run by idiotic schoolboys who have never grown up it seems to be "get my side of the story out first to the public ... lets have a trial by media".

It is NOT an action to be respected no matter who does it, Buck, Hermans or Perry.

If Greg had said "No comment" then he would have had at least part of my respect left - most of which went when that clearly inflammatory newsgroup post was put up there.

There is something political here, perhaps it is that GPSofts claim is not that strong because of contractual issues or perhaps they are running out of money. Who knows, it is not our place to judge the outcome of the dispute but we can certainly condemn the methods that one of the party has resorted to in order to "resolve" it.

For you to disregard what has been said on this subject as "personal attacks" suggests that this is not the outcome to the debate that you wanted either which makes me question your motives.

I don't side with GPSoft or Hyperion over the matter of the dispute, but I do criticise heavily Mr Perry for resorting to trial by media rather than resolving it through standard business and legal methods.

The fact that he did not either suggests he is unprofessional OR that he does not have a strong enough position to win through on a due process which also suggests a lack of professionalism on dealing with contracts.

Bloody amateurs, the lot of em ( Amiga based business people ).

Bloody witch hunters, the lot of em ( Amiga community members ).

GP @ Hyperion: Its a witch!!!!!!!!
Community: Burn her! Burn her!

[DaveP]

@Marktime

I don't know why you bother reading the comments either because you clearly don't read them properly.

"what is soooo hard about that? The e-mail states very clearly, there is no misunderstanding, they didn't pay the money."

Ah, Im glad you are not a judge. If one side sayes "he stole from me" that is enough for you is it? No need for corroberating evidence?

You are a witch burner, no more no less.

All you know at the moment is that GPSoft CLAIMS that no money has been paid. You don't know if firstly that it has not, secondly that the contract really obliged the other party to pay it. In fact because you haven't seen any contract, clauses or further submissions from either party you are not qualified to judge jackshit.

This was what pissed me off over Amiga Inc vs MorphOS and what pisses me off with GPSoft. Using what is clearly a bunch of easily led half civilized savages to be judge and jury with less than 10% of the story.

GET INTO COURT!!!!!!!

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