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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« on: June 09, 2003, 08:14:56 AM »
@Rodney

You might not think that Kronos is a troll, but this topic posting of his was clearly flamebait from subject to signoff. Its not a matter of being a better man, do you think that if Kronos was face to face with the Friedens in a room he would have spoken thus? What about with his dear old mum present?

I suspect you and I know what to expect from a Kronos post so we filter off the excess crap.

Can you imagine say Gary, Nate or Alkis using such a tone as Kronos does? However we expect less in this case.

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 Subject : Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?

Rudeness. Suggests that the news from the OS4 tour ( anti-aliased fonts/ PPC native and PPC modules working in their integrated emulation approach ) was not REAL or USEFUL which contradicts flatly what Kronos and others have been calling for "SHOW US IT WORKING".

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Oh well now they finally dared to show OS4, and waht do we get ??

Rude. Implies that the reason that it had not been shown before was cowardice rather than the traditional AmigaOS approach ( which is not to release betas since 1.3 ). The "what do we get??" shows exaggerated nay pantomime indignation.

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Another bunch of useless screenshots  

Rude. "useless". No need for that. I agree that screenshots are far from a great indicator of anything but I didn't notice you saying that "screenshots are useless" when we started to see the first MOS Ambient screenshots. However they do illustrate the progress of the UI, anti-aliased fonts and serve as a discussion point. Far from useless. In fact I remember distinctly you arguing with me when I pointed out that screenshots don't tell you diddly about Ambient.

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Did anybody ask, what the were seeing ?
How much is still 68k, and how much is PPC ?
(and no, I don't care wether it is just a recompile away, I want to know what is NOW)

Rude to disregard an answer before you get it "I don't care if blah blah waaaaah". What you want is an answer that allows you to go rushing round all the newsgroups and fora posting "ITS JUST 68K FOR FREAKS SAKE!" willfully ignoring the relative simplicity of a make clean all install.

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What did run ? 68k SW ? WOS ? OS4-native ?
Is P96 allready intregrated in in graphics/layers, or still patching the orginal libs ?
And how will that affect the AGA-compabilty ?
What HW was used ? SCSI (on the CS-PPC) ? Where new drivers used (emu or native ?), or
ist it still the Phase5-device running in emu ?
What GFX-card ? Zorro,PCI or CV-PPC ? And what others are supported RIGHT NOW ?

All quite reasonable compared to the Kronos we saw before. I ask you though Kronos, if someone sends you a cheque for 100 euros in an envelope they have wiped their arse with would you open it willingly?

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And yes I know someone will come around and tell me that I ain't worth an answer

No. I don't think you are worth an answer but what I think in this is irrelevant, your **questions** were worth answering but frankly for the last few years you have come across as nothing but a schoolyard gang member with a gutter jeering attitude who is incapable of hiding his agenda.

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(hi Hans-Jörg), but that doesn't change the fact that my questions are valid,

No, it doesn't change that but again we are back to merde encrusted envelopes.

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and that
STRAIGHT answer to them would give a much better insight in the state of things as a
million of screenshots could ever do.

Rude. Suggesting that before they have been less than straight.

So no, in conclusion I dont think Kronos's questions are trolling but the packaging he uses is designed to inflame and annoy the answerer as well as telling the audience what he thinks before any answer is given.

I am reminded of those 50s small town american films that shows the jock and his mates jeering at someone trying to provoke a fight.

So Kronos, don't expect a civilised response unless you are prepared yourself to act civilised. For the others on here criticising the Friedens, don't blame them for Kronos' behaviour.

Given how they did not resort to Kronos' level I think they come off "the better man".
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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2003, 11:41:39 AM »
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The Friedens did not go down to "my level" ???
Maybe you  should try to reread this thread with your eyes open with time !

I reread. I stand by that.

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I also allready explained to you that there is no way that you could have seen years of Kronos-postings as I never posted in
any Amiga-forum prior to September 01,  and was more or less pro-OS4 till May 02.

Sept 01. Sept 02. Its now June 03. I think that qualifies as "years". Regardless of your stance. I have NEVER seen a "pro OS4 " stance from you.

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The reason I posted the remark to Hans-Jörg was that he acted just like that on Amiga-News.de,

Amiga-news.de is not here. I have no idea what you are talking about or what running dispute this is part of. From where I come in fresh to this it looked like one hell of a flamebait post.

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 were he tried to put words in
my mouth (try to find a quote were I said that OS4 will never run) without giving proove or answering my question.

Well Im sure if he searched hard enough ;-)

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My stance on screenshots is known, and prior to this thread there was no NEWS (things we didn't know before) from the tour.

Really? So we all knew that it was using anti-aliased fonts, that it was working on the Cyberstorm PPC and that emulation was working peachily? Strange...

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No we finally got some answers, and I must admit that they seem to a bit more advanced as it seemed based on the info (and
reactions to questions) we got from them before. I just don't understand why they didn't make such important steps news themselves.

They have said before they think actions speak louder than words. MorphOS was barely leaking any useful information prior to its GA ... sorry "Beta Tester" launch.

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And yes I still think that "can easily be recompiled" is NOT an answer to the question of how much is PPC-native, and thats
why I put that in.

Its called a qualifier. A caveat. Its called answering the question and answering the underlying motive for asking the question too.

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Would I have the a prob saying what I wrote face to face with them ? NO ! They do have an history of flaming and trolling
 themselves (just look up old ann.l or Amiga-News threads on MorphOS or  Amithon), and if they can't take a spoonfull of
their own medicine .....

I am well aware of how far both of them have gone in the past under severe provocation. I am sure you would have asked the same questions but I think there would have been signficantly less merde on the envelope.
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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2003, 12:14:45 PM »
Care to identify them?
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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2003, 01:41:14 PM »
Im sure theres something about casting the first stone.
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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2003, 02:57:30 PM »
Well now you know how I see it, and I know now how you see it we clearly wont agree although I would point you to a few things:

1. The language used by Kronos is "rude".

2. The questions he asked, as I said, there was nothing wrong with them.

I think you are wrong, but then you think I am wrong ;-)

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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2003, 03:10:56 PM »
I certainly don't think Im wrong ;-)

I think a post from Kronos phrased in courteous tones would have resulted in a thread of say..... oh 5 or six followup posts?
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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2003, 03:43:50 PM »
@Fabio

No Im not defending Ben Hermans, I was defending the Friedens. I was just reading this and was thinking of Redrumloa saying "locky locky" when I got to Bens last few posts.

I don't know why you felt that you had to bring my name into this at all. Perhaps if I had leapt to Bens defense here then it would be justifiable. I realised you used the speculative "if you are" but really, that is a big ole line you are starting to string out with some tasty bait on the end ;-)
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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2003, 03:47:22 PM »
@hnl_dk

Outstanding! ROLFMAO! Can I borrow that pic for an avatar?

@moderator

Waaaaay too late for that. That thread is dead, fred.
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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2003, 03:52:39 PM »
Thank you :-) Best Miffy avatar yet!
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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2003, 04:00:20 PM »
Threads have to be useful? My god that leaves us with what... 3 threads since Amiga.org first went online?  :-o
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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2003, 04:26:39 PM »
LOL! Now if you could make the boing a bit smaller it would be spot on ;-)

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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2003, 04:41:03 PM »
......just a bit bigger





;-) Just kidding! Do you mind if I use it on other sites where Miffy is A REGISTERED AVATAR OF dAVEp?

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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2003, 04:57:22 PM »
AmigaWorld doesn't like the THX remastered Miffy, still about a k too big.

Hey so we are offtopic but its Amiga.org so thats OK.
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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2003, 04:59:43 PM »
[duty]
Hey I really like the AOS4 theme they have done so far, and the news is great.
[/duty]

Right that should give us what, 5 maybe 6 posts before locky lock?
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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2003, 05:08:48 PM »
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Bodie wrote:
Miffy should be the OS4 mascot :-) . Honestly, cool avatar Dave :-)  8-) .


Ta! As Ive said before, insufficient cleavage to be the AROS mascot.  :-P
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