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Re: 0S4 development on track
« on: January 28, 2003, 09:55:49 AM »
@HyperionMP

No doubt there will be a lot of flame mail after this from those
that do not want this to be true, the same cast that wanted
the "Yoris" comment to be true - in the same way that there
are those that did not want the "Yoris" statement to be true
but it is appreciated that you posted this comment on here ( and
for chosing Amiga.org to make the statement ) and I hope you
don't get put off by the ensuing debacle.

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Re: 0S4 development on track
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2003, 11:24:38 AM »
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I could comment about the worst part of development.. It's when during debugging you suddenly realize that all parts don't fit together as earlier was expected and some major parts of system goes to total rewriting. Are you surely pass that point that you know it'll all fits together and will work as expected?


I see you claiming an awful lot in recent times, exactly what
are your credentials here?
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Re: 0S4 development on track
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2003, 11:36:18 AM »
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Could you clarify a bit on this please? If all functionality hasn't been implemented, the OS can't be in beta-testing by definition. Are you talking about beta-testing of separate parts and modules?

Not really. At least in real life products almost always enter beta testing partially
complete.

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Re: 0S4 development on track
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2003, 11:37:53 AM »
Ah we've had Seehund and JoannaK, now all we need
is Dammy and Strobe and we can all have a big re-union
trollfest and flamewar.

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Re: 0S4 development on track
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2003, 12:26:46 PM »
Hi Seehund!

Yes my t-i-c attempt to lighten the atmos probably would light
it in that way ;-) Note I never said who the trollfest would
come from :-D

I'd love for Hyperion to produce detailed status reports but
the last time I saw a detailed "roadmap" and cared a toss
about it was the PhaseV one.

I am resigned to it will be done when it's done, the detailed
questions I don't think will get useful answers and nor do I
see them as being make or break issues.

But, if you do get detailed, useful answers I will read them with
interest but I wouldn't curse Hyperion if you don't get them.

In fact I wouldn't mind JoannaKs questions at all if they weren't
always ( at least in my memory which I admit can be
faulty here ) full of dubious assertions about product development.

Ive been in large scale product development for ooooh 10 years
6 months ago and I've never seen any project that didn't slip
or any adaption of so called hard and fast rules ( like what the
hardest bit of development is going to be ).

Complete design rewrites have rarely occurred ( once only in
the entire time I have been professionally employed ) and
on a product like AOS4 with a pre-existing codebase and
well known and documented "semantics" even less.

In fact if you consider that a 68k version of AOS4 used for integration
testing of function being a "simulator" and it works then the
semantics are agreed.

Questions can also be placed to create "unanswered questions"
and as a tool to spread fear and uncertainty....

Suffice to say we don't know the internal state and the internal
assumptions the project is based on, therefore no one is in
a state to judge.
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Re: 0S4 development on track
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2003, 01:26:29 PM »
@seehund

I believe that March 2003 was the target for everything
to be packaged and available.

Here we use traffic lights for identifying component status
and I would guess that something has slipped into "red" after
being in "amber".

I would also guess that it is going to be further petunia
delays ( at least petunia running on exec ) which to me
was always the weak point of the plan. I don't know how many
contingencies were built into the original plan ( say for
a different 68k instruction processor ) but I would guess
not many given the shoestring budget that all Amiga projects
are funded on.

It seems to me that every time Hyperion give a detailed
answer to a question it just causes a further explosion in the
"community" and if they don't then at least it applies the
brakes after initial criticism.

We probably need to make the Amiga the platform choice for
drug barons, that would give us a gauranteed flow of income
in sizeable chunks.... ;-)

Who is prepared to go into business with me and buy a whole
load of second hand powerbooks and get license agreement
for AOS4 on it? :-D
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Re: 0S4 development on track
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2003, 10:22:18 AM »
@joannak

"@davep .. I could go on and on and tell what I do these days and how I learned to distrust certain companies but then other people here would attack me on repeating myself on time too many. "

Maybe a free pass can be arranged from the flame-kidz. I'm all ears!

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