News of Free 060 Like Apollo Core License

[Djole]

Fast translate from: http://www.a1k.org/forum/showthread.php?t=63012


Hello,

Fast 68040 or 68060 CPUs are not to be found in quantities.
Therefore, it is difficult to build new 68060 cards.

The APOLLO team offers a number of very fast 68K maps -
but we think shared joy is a double joy.

We would therefore like to discuss the following suggestion:
To support hardware developers, we would like to make the following offer:

We offer hardware developers a
_FREE_ 68080 CORE that is
compatible with the 68040/68060
and is set to about 68040/68060 speed.

The core is FREE for hardware developers.
The core also contains the AMMX2 instruction set.
This means that software compatibility with vampire software such as new JPEG decoder, video player and some game ports remains.

The Core boots with over 100 Sysinfo MIPS and after some time down to 68040 @ 40/68060 @ 50 level.

The supported hardware cards are subject to some reasonable conditions. That means the FPGA has to be big enough to offer a complete, fully compatible core space. The cards must be intended for the general public. The offer is not valid for single pieces and Pershingraketen.


We are looking forward to your feedback.

Greetings
Gunnar

[Djole]

but people have issues with missing MMU and the (so far) lacking of FPU

I dont see the point of your first post and the need to express your lack of interest, you are a HW designer ? FPU is not lacking its in the works and shown working, faster than any moto FPU. MMU is also there it has been stated 100 times, its just not compatible with old moto MMU....

[Djole]

Are you trying to boost your post count or something ? 3 posts for one answer ? BTW new debugging tools are also in the works.... strange you dont mention FPU anymore ?

[Djole]

Well  so far FPU is emulated via software..  and I find that VERY ironic (as vampirepeople say it is more compatible not needing the 040/060 lib)

and no.. it is not about "boosting postcount" or so.. not at all actually..


And well I posted on the A1k thread about my opinion..  and I am not alone of retro-computing.

Check your facts again, Apollo core FPU in v2 Vampire is a mix of hw and sw, in v4 it should be full in hw an average user shouldnt worry about it anyway.... it should just work.

But anyway, good work on derailing another Vampire post.

[Djole]

Trigger for me is:

"_FREE_ 68080 CORE that is
compatible with the 68040/68060 "

when it ISN'T!

It is maybe 68k-series compatible..  but it for sure is NOT 040/060 compatible.

as then it would have the FPU and MMU!..  it doesn't  

it might be 68EC040 and 68EC060 compatible.  but when I read 68040/060 I read the full deal    and this is important.

Its every time the same song.....

[Djole]

Chucky... dont you feel like you are repeating yourself ?? You said it all in the first post, no need to repeat 10 times you are not interested. You are not forced to use or buy it, you keep your betamax. You can buy your 020 and 030 cards from Jens, enjoy them. Should Vampire users invade any post about his HW and repeat the same boring story about missing features and how they are not interested ??

[Djole]

and it is reactions like this:  taking it personal..

I just want the lie about being 68040/68060 compatible,  it can fool people who thinks that they will get that.   and when they try to run enforcer/mungwall etc.. it will fail..

The people who are going to need/use Enforcer/Mungwall will know what features Apollo offers, belive me. 99% of the users dont even know know what it is, let alone use it.... And to be in your style I will repeat myself too, Apollo debugging tools are in the making.

It is called false marketing..
And belive me.  there are always some vampireperson coming to discussionthreads about 040/060 etc that "no. the future is vampire"  while  sorry to say:it isn't..

Yeah those people should be banned like the people intentionally derailing every Vampire thread.... This thread isnt about what you like or dont like, its about the offer Gunnar has made for the HW designers. I dont see the reason you are posting here at all. Why should any1 care what you are interested in or not ? If you said, "I am making a new Amiga Turbocard but i dont want to use Apollo core", that I would understand.

the vampire is a neat way to boost your A600/500 and I recomend it to anyone wanting to use their old machines as a whdload machine..  it will be perfect for it..

Wrong, anyone with any knowledge would recommend a 020 or 030 card with some ram for a whdload machine....

for me as a demoscener: no..
for a replacement of 060: in most cases..   no  as if you want to go highend. why choose a sorry to say: crippled cpu?

Performace wise, 080 is faster than any 060, integer AND floating point.... So obviously you are spreading misinformation here....

I read at the a1k forum and it is interesting to see how Gunnar just misses the whole point when people ask about MMU etc.  telling that his MMU is better.  and it might be.  but with no software, noone cares.  but programmers are used to have their debuggingtools why suddenly be without them?  and wit no programmers.. who would use the new nifty functions?

Vampire has kickstarted many Amiga sw projects, not only usable on Apollo core and many more are in the pipeline....

and repeating myself?  well yes.  as there is always some vampireperson repeating that "vampire IS the thing everyone wants" but still completly ignores that there are many of us thinking the opposite.

Maybe you should set the example and stop. WE all got the point, you dont want a Vampire.

[Djole]

I see two major issues with this.
1 - Gunnar is perhaps concerned about other projects/open source CPUs, and by offering the core to other vendors he hopes to gain market share, however isn't he hurting the guys who make the vampire hardware/stand alone? Surely you can't have it both ways.

2 - Throttled back to something slower than they can do - so bit of a second class citizen ? no thanks.

Well its clear he wants to gain market share. Maybe the current Vampire hardware makers are getting a better deal ?
Other (open) projects we still need to see beat Apollo performance and compatibility....

You can pay for first class, like in a plane So But a free core in the 060 speed class is not bad, what other core can match that ??

[Djole]

@Chucky

If they listened to every chap out here they would never got this far. They have their plan and they work on it, accept it or dont. You keep on babbling about what you want or dont want, their success has shown what the most people want. You already have what you want, your old 060....  And you are constantly derailing this thread, none of your replies are on topic, that should be sanctioned, if you feel the need to force your opinion on Apollo core, there are other threads out there you could find that are more related.

[Djole]

You'll see..

Mike, with all the respect, i think you said that before to me.... That was a while ago. A lot of people will be very impressed if you show us a better softcore then Apollo.

[Djole]

@Kolla

You where in the frontline of FPU fighters, mentioning it in every needed and unneeded topic, ranting about it, demanding....now you have some other life goal ?

[Djole]

@Chucky

It sounds like you dont know how to set it up and/or use it.... But this is not a Vampire help thread.


@topic

We will see if any other retro scene will take this offer and produce something useful.

[Djole]

@Chucky

I will start reporting all your off topic posts in this thread, so you know. You constantly try to derail the thread for some reason.

Your other 060 cards are open source ? Or even available Or ever been available for a600 and a500 ? You are making yourself ridiculous...

[Djole]

So I can fit your card in a500 or a600 ? You are comparing apples and oranges.... Or you are just a bit slow ?

[Djole]

What input do you have on 060 CPUs ? People get spoiled very fast. They think they should get custom made core and cards just by asking and repeating it on forums. Anyway I am done here, this is starting to get very funny.