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Re: What hardware makes the AmigaOne different to a Mac?
« on: November 30, 2003, 10:09:53 AM »
@Codesmith

Sued by Apple ? For what ?

HW is HW is HW, and in the case of modern Macs it is documented good
enough (real docu and opensource stuff like Darwin and Linux) to get any
PPC-OS to run on it within reasonable time. You may have some problems
with the very latest models, or with the more obscure features, but the OS
would still run.

The only thing that Apple may do is what they did when they feared that
MacOS was loosing out against BeOS, close their HW and starve the competition
to death. But that shouldn't be a problem since OS4 would still have it's "own"
HW, and honestly I don't think anybody would expect OS4 to be a threat for Apple
within the next years.

Piracy could be fought with a USB-dongle, just as effective (if not more) than
bastarized BIOS  ;-)

But .....
This would make it impossible to hide OS- and licence-costs within the HW
and the price tag for the OS may turn out to be rather high when all that is to be
payed with it.

It is also questionable wether the total number of people prepared to buy OS4
in any form within the next 2 years would justify support for more than 1 piece
of HW (+CSPPC and maybe BPPC).

This is offcourse a small chicken&egg problem as the HW that is to be expected from
MAI/Eyetech within that time won't be able to raisea wave of *WOW* outside this
community.......
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
6. Deny that you have ever announced it
7. Blame someone else
 

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Re: What hardware makes the AmigaOne different to a Mac?
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2003, 01:12:30 PM »
@Codesmith
DMCA is an US-law, and Hyperion a belgian company .....

But  ...

There is no need for reverse-engeneering as Apple themself released that
info to the public (with the Darwin-sources).

"industrial systems" does spell Linux, and would contradict statements that
the "feature" ain't no bug cos linux isn't the target, but putting that aside, it would
still be very hard for Eyetech to get a foothold in that market without a global
player backing them, and with the reputation that MAI have earned themselv
in that market. It's also rather questionable why they would go with Eyetech
instead of directly contacting MAI.

We also have to wait wether a ITX-A1-G3 will fair good against VIA's next generation
of C3s (which will be much cheaper and are just as cool), or a G4 against a board with a mobile Pentium (again cheaper and about as cool).

Kiosk can mean a lot of things, but I would guess at info-terminals in supermarekets
and suchlike. No lets say that Walmart would order 2 of these for every one of their
shops. Would be something like 2-5000 boards, still far to little to mean a descent
income for Eyetech,AInc,Hyperion and MAI.

China:
That must have been the most hillarious plan in Amiga-history (sorry).

Now, why are the Chinese so eager tpo drop Windows ?
Cos it does cost so much, and is controlled by a foreign company.
How dos AOS fit into that equation ?
My guess is that they will take a linux kernel (x86), and built their own closed-source
OS ontop of it, securing the goverment complete control over every PC in the
country.

Genesi's plan is a bit different:
1) Sell Pegasos2 in low quantities (<10000) as small servers and to special-interest
groups (like us, or "we hate x86"-Linux/BeOS/BSD-freaks).
Would be enough to recoup Genesi's R&D-costs, but offcourse not Marvell. But that
isn't neccesary as Genesi are not Marvell's only costumer  ;-)

2) Sell costum HW with costum SW for costum needs.
(what follows is what I gathered in rumours bout the STB-deal).
A pay-TV-company wants to sell their programms in a country that we would consider
part of the "2nd world", a country where people do have enough money to buy a
real good TV set (or just want it sooooo bad), but not enough to put a PC and/or a
modern game-console next to it.
Now, this company would offcourse fear someone cracking their code, and thats
why they want it to only run on non-standard-HW, and offcourse it also has to be
closed source.

Add to that that mass-producing of a board built around an embeeded PPC
(403 if I'm not mistaken) may actuall be cheaper than doing the same with a x86.

I don't have much trust in any of both side ever being more than a footnote in the
history of computing, but I do see much more resources (and resources spend
wisely) n the blue side than I see on the red, which still seems to think having the
"name" means guaranteed market-success.
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
6. Deny that you have ever announced it
7. Blame someone else