MOS: back to the future

[Kronos]

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Suggested retail price reduced to 500 Euro + VAT  :-D

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@Red

Huh ? Remeber that it was a long time ago when you ordered your board,
and that you won't get an OS with it (Linux doesn't count).

The $_2_Euro exchange is more in favour of the right side of the pond
atm and the latest prices from are Eyetech are also 500$/Euro for the
SE not the XE.

So after you also bought OS4, you might be a few bucks in the +, but
you did wait >0.5 years for the HW and for the SW.

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@Elektro

What about this:
"Amiga, Inc. established itself in 1985 as the premier provider of multimedia technologies to the world."

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@Elektro

YES !!!!

Cause this should have read:

"AmigaInc was founded in 1983, collapsed in 85, was bought by C=,
who sold a few million home-computers and collapsed in 94,
followed by Escom (R.i.P.), GateWay (got away lucky) and finally
ended at AmigaInc (totaly unrelated) who put the boing on something
completly differnet"

If McBill wants to claim the past than he has to live with all of it.
I think just leaving it would be better, and claiming that they
had 17 years experience in anything else than eating cheeseburgers
is completly ridiciolous ( perfect PR-material).

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@Crumpster

If you really want to run Linux than why would you want to buy
an A1 (or Pegasos)

OS4/MorphOS is ALL that counts for these boards.

[Kronos]

BTW Thendic has not promised free MOS to betatesters, only beta versions. Not much different IMO.

Check your sources !!

from:
http://www.thendic-france.com/TECH/US/products/pegasos/betatester-en.htm

2. A free copy of the commercial release of MorphOS for PPC v1.0 when it is ready.

Also:
The boards are made by bPlan on bPlan's assembly line which is at DCE.

[Kronos]

That's simple:
The line is owned by bPlan and they can use it whenever they
want to. Mr Dellert is housing it (for free I guess) and can
use it at other times (maybe he has to pay for it).

So DCE didn't need to invest $$$$ in those machines (look
Andre I've  learned it  :-P ) and bPlan don't have to buy or
rent a room for it.

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@seer

The A1 has sound "on-board" ?
Thought that was on the (invisible) AMR ....


Just came back from the Videobörse in Bremem (general computer
fair/sale) where the UDN-usergroup demonstrated two Pegasos-systems
with MorphOS and Linux, and even I didn't manage to crash it !!

And believe me I tried (and played Software-Thycoon on it, but thats
nothing for me I think).

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@seer
The A1 (Linux only) is gone go on sale in 9 days (according to KDH
that is) and sofar noone has seen an AMR-card for it. Go figure !

As I said MorphOS was stable and featurde the same theme that was
shown in the last screenshots. There wasn't much SW installed
(SW-Thycoon Feeble Files , 3 ScummV-titles, movieplayer (WOS)),
but that stuff ran at really nice speeds, and also
some of the included demos ran parallel in windows.

Is it what you expected ?

Let's put it this way:
I have been looking for an "fast exit", but the room was at the
back end of the fair with ~1000 people between me and the open
street. Thats why I'm typing this on my old system  :-x  :-x  :-D

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@Coder
That would be in ~6,000,000,000 years when the sun and
most other stars will run out of fuel ....







.... but what is a bit of waiting for a real fan ?  :-P

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@aego
IR ? Not on the board, but maybe on the vapor AMR.

FireWire ? Not in the southbridge, and not important (according
to Ben, video-freaks may beg to differ).

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@YttriumOx
Onboard or not, that is not the question since Eyetech claim to have
the boards consumer-ready in a few weeks, the board has been unchanged
for months (the HW), but still they don't seem to have one single AMR.


FireWire:
How long do we have PCI-boards for the Amiga ? And how long are USB-PCI-
cards available ? And why did it take a (2) costum Zorro-cards before
someone actually did write an USB-stack ?

Sofar noone on the OS4-side has been talking about writting one, and
I don't see how an 3rd-party could make some money on it, because as
long as there is no driver, there won't be any modern video-SW for it,
and as long as there is no SW, there won't be the need for an driver ....

Paying extra ?
The suggested retail price for the Pegasos is the same as for the
A1-SE, and 100 Euro/$ less than the XE. And that doesn't even include an
OS for the A1s. So yes I also hate paying extra for things I don't need,
and "the name" is definitly one of those.

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@Alkemyst

The point is that FW for the A1 will face the same problems as
USB for the Amiga had. Noone will feel the need to write drivers
aslong as noone has FW, and noone writes SW to use it. Noone will
write SW that relies on FW aslong as their is none ...

By making FW standard bPlan allowed development for a fixed API
and stuff like MotionStudio becomes possible.


FW is part of the southbridge used on the Pegasos, and I would
guess that the connector and other needed extra parts are well
under $10. Sounds resonable for something such powerfull (and
quite expensive if bought on PCI).

Why did I bring the A1 into it ?
Both companies are forced to make one product that offers what
they think their customers want. BPlan decided that this bundle
should include FW, while Eyetech decided that theirs should be
labeled "Amiga". So I could also ask what would an TeronCX-MK2
with OS4-licence, but without "AmigaOne-the_name-licence" cost ?

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@Alkemyst

See it the other way:

BPlan had been cooperating with epic and Titan even before they
had finished the mATX-design (remember the dual-ZIF-version), and
at one point Titan may have said "we think there is a market for a real-
time video editor, and we want to write one". What was bPlan's
reaction ? Something like " cost next to nothing as it is allready in
the southbridge".  Sure it would/could have happen as an PCI-addon,
but that would have taken more time, and MotionStudio would have
been more expensive for the costumer since they would have needed a FW-
card for it. Everyone who buys a board and than thinks about video, will
only need to buy the SW to get thinks going.

Porting MotionStudio to OS4 id impossible as as there is no working
FW-solution, and I don't see anybody starting on it.

For your examples:
CD-ROM were introduced by C= (CDTV)
GFX-cards were custom (expensive) Zorro-cards that needed SW. This SW
could later easily be reused for PCI-cards.

A ZIP-drive is just standard Unit handled by the device of a custom
SCSI (or IDE) controller. No extra SW needed.

Soundcards did start the same way as GFX-card, but in this case
someone later wrote a free and general SW (AHI) for them, but still
there would never be any support for if some companies didn't
sell the HW.

The only realistic way of adding FW to OS4 (other than in the OS
itself) is dongeling the card in the same way as the Spider is, and thats
something that simply sucks !

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@Elektro

 :lol:  :lol:

Not "never" but later, just like the MIDI/Atari problem  and that was
the reason why the Amiga never played an important role for proffessinal
musicians. Those who are still using a Amiga or Draco for proffessinal
video (mostly smal companies doing wedding-movies or so) want
to replace their aging systems with something that allows them to use
(parts of) their existing SW, and I don't think they will care about
the name-badge. That market will allready be lost when someone finally
decides to write such a SW for OS4.