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Re: AmigaONE or Pegasos, which one will it be sir?
« on: October 18, 2002, 10:42:59 PM »
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Re: AmigaONE or Pegasos, which one will it be sir?
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2002, 10:58:00 PM »
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The XE has a swappable carrier, capable of holding up to 3 processors simultaneously.


From the horses mouth (MAI that is):
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MegArray 300 Connector: supports single PowerPC? 750CX, PowerPC? 750FX, or MPC74XX       compatible processor, as well as dual PowerPC? 750FX or MPC74XX processors up to 133 MHz CPU bus speed


Noone will EVER build a 3-CPU-system, cos it just doesn't make any sense.

OS4 isn't even running in an alpha-state on the CS_PPC (Hyperion would
have shown that AFAP if the could), and saying that a really working
version for the A1 "isn't anywhere close" is just commeon logic.
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Re: AmigaONE or Pegasos, which one will it be sir?
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2002, 09:15:16 AM »
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he fact that it booted Linux in Gothenburg


Just prooves that MAI has send a working proto of there TeronPX (MK2)
to Eyetech, big deal !

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with no effort whatsoever should be a hint as to how long it'll take before they're on sale


How long has it been since the TeronCX bootet Linux for the 1st
time ? How long since Alan annouced the CX-MK2 aka A1.5 aka A1-SE ?

Alan had been very clear from the start that the "XE" would only be
produced if the actual sales of the SE were good enough to justify it.

A1-SE (without OS4) is planned for December, but sales will be pretty
low till OS4 runs on it (and when that is gonne happen is everyones
guess). So when will the "XE" be produced in numbers ?
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Re: AmigaONE or Pegasos, which one will it be sir?
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2002, 10:16:57 AM »
@DaveP

Well December is what has been said on that finnish show, and
that it won't come with OS4 at that time is just common sense based
on what has been shown sofar by Hyperion.

The December date isn't really important, but the date when OS4 runs
on it. Following Alan's  statemnets about the XE its pretty obvious
that it will be relaesed well after OS4 is out.
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Re: AmigaONE or Pegasos, which one will it be sir?
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2002, 10:40:15 AM »
@DaveP
Publically known facts:

Christmas is only 2 months away.
Producing the CD and boxes does take some time.
Hyperion haven't even shown a working alpha on a CS_PPC (emphasis on PPC).
Big project NEVER work by just putting some (tested) pieces together.
Decent betatesting of "the real thing" does take months (thats what MOS is doing
right now).
Hyperion are not the kind of guys that would keep something working hidden
esspacially not in a competetive situation. Hyperion has been talking about
OS4 in December, and it has been quite a while since Ben talked about OS4_4_A1
in December.

A somewhat working alpha running on exactly one A4000-config is the best I would
expect to see in Aachen (early December).

Well the TeronCX HAS existed some time before the A1, and it was even running
Linux. Removing a few HW-bugs and replacing parts with newer models is  good,
but not really exiting.

The Pegasos_HW in the mATX-version has been working since allmost a year,
and had reached final status this summer. It's the SW (MorphOS/Ambient/BIOS)
that are not 100% consumer-ready.
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Re: AmigaONE or Pegasos, which one will it be sir?
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2002, 11:02:09 AM »
@DaveP

It's beginning to get funny  :-P

The Peagsos-BIOS is quite reliable, but just not 100% finished.
Same could be said about PPCBoot.

In the past months Ben has made some pretty odd statements of what
we should expect in the 1st OS4-release.

Like:
"I won't hold it back because of a missing driver for the on-board-audio"

O.k. no prob since the AMR is still vapor anyway  :-P , but on-board
sound did work on the old MOS-beta I've tested in Bremen.

"Drivers for the Radeon won't be in the initiall release"

Guess what card was installed in Bremen  ;-)

He even talked about delievering a non-FPU-68k-emu !
(yes I know that won't happen)

Looks like both sides have a somewhat differnt opinion on what is
a beta and what is a consumer release.

The priot MOS-deadline were still based on the (stupid) idea of using
an AmigaOS-WB, and a full OS including WB-replacement has been
announced for late 02 since mid 01.
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Re: AmigaONE or Pegasos, which one will it be sir?
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2002, 11:15:35 AM »
@DaveP

The "late 02" statements on the "Mosbench" (Ambient) have been
made long before Thendic got involved, and I'm sure you could find
them if would take the time to search through the ann.lu-archives.
Thrusting me on this is the easier method  :-D

But if you do, you might also find out that my "conversion" was based
on two things: MOS dropped the plans for using AOS-WB, and OS4 went
from "any suitable HW" to "any licenced and dongled HW".
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Re: AmigaONE or Pegasos, which one will it be sir?
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2002, 08:35:32 PM »
@olegil

Which prooves actually what ?

Severe lack of coordination from Eyetech, as I have yet seen such a
desaster (and it's nothing else) on a Pegasos-show, even those not
directly done by Thendic themselfes.

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as opposed to actively going out of your way to find memory that's NOT gonna work?


I just hope I misunderstood you here, cause I read it as you claim
that someone sabotaged that show on purpose by making sure
that the RAM won't work.

Shipping board and BIOS seperatly sound just plain stupid !
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Re: AmigaONE or Pegasos, which one will it be sir?
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2002, 09:07:37 PM »
@jtsiren

They did say that it would be a close call when the show was announced,
and they did make sure that they were sending out a working package.

Thats all they could do, and that show wasn't even an official one, but one
where one of the Betatesters asked if he could demonstrate his brand
new machine.

Another venue was found and the presentation happened last week.
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