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Offline IonDeluxe

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Re: Another try: Future of Amiga? (yes AMIGA only)
« on: October 27, 2003, 08:05:25 AM »
I agree with you markey

To get developers you need users, for users you need software, for software you need developers. Its a catch 22 unless there is something so compelling it wqill attract one or the other in droves.
The Fact of the matter is that AmigaOne and/or OS4 has nothing that has this kind of compulsion.
So how do you get that user/developer base when it does not exist? You create a mechanism that will allow developers to write software that can be run on things as low on the scale as mobile phones all the way up to server systems regardless of hardware or operating system thereby creating an artificial yet massive potential market platform of consumers where the developer can sell his product.A product that does not need to be ported recompiled or otherwise tampered with once it is released (except for inevitable bug fixes) And then you integrate it into the OS so these software applications run natively.

For the Amiga, that mechanism is AmigaDE.This will bring the developers to the platform, provide more software for the AmigaOne, and then users will migrate as thier software will be fully compatible with the AmigaOne system, and thier applications will run better as they will not be running over another OS, but natively.

Amiga DE is the vehicle by which users will migrate to the Amiga platform thereby providing the funds for future development of OS5 which in the end giver the user full freedom. Freedom for which hardware they use, be it x86 PPC, hand held devices and wotnot, and freedom of applications as they will no longer be tied to a hardware platform, or even a particular OS to use the software they desire, unlike the situation today.

That is why I think the Amiga future is bright, but it relies upon all three, the hardware, the OS and Amiga DE coming together and being utilized at its potential.

It is my opinion that this has the potential to bring a revolution to the computer world that will forever change the way we think about computers on such a scale to dwarf the revolution that the origonal classic amiga brought about by bringing such a powerful multimedia computer into the home of the "average Joe" with the Amiga 1000 and 500.

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Re: Another try: Future of Amiga? (yes AMIGA only)
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2003, 02:11:20 PM »
Amiga DE is going to be integral to the AmigaOS, so on amiga machines you wont be running such programs in amiga De on top of another OS. As I understand it, amigga DE has, or will have java support as well as many other languages.
The reason why you would develop for CPE is obvious, you only have to write the software once to have it available across many hardware and operating systems which saves valueable time and resources in porting said software. It means you have a bigger potential customer base to sell that software to, which translates to bigger sales.

AmigaDE and AmigaOS at this time are seperate entities, but the roadmap described many times over has Amiga DE being integrated with the OS which means the OS SDK will eventually cover Amiga DE as well.It is also my understanding that Amiga DE is where all the AG2 technology is being developed and with its integration with OS4 will bring that technology to the OS culminating with OS5 when all hardware dependancies are eliminated.
Anyway, to answer your questions briefly: Larger available customer base without the need to port your applications, it is not restricted to Only java, but can make use of many different styles and languages,and it is capable of running large complext programs depending on what the hardware it is running on is capable of.

Anyway, I have two points for you to consider:
1. Even if DE turns out not to be all that much better than java, it at least has the potential to attract some developers to it that would otherwise have zero intrest in the Amiga platform thereby gaining software support for the Amiga by default.Even if it is only stuff like an IRC client or nifty mps3 player it adds to the platform.
2. If Amiga DE is simply not going to be capable enough for these larger type programs, or burdensome to develop these programs for and so on, then the fundamental design as the base for OS5 is flawed and doomed to failure.WHile it is possible for the guys at AMiga Inc to have made such a blunder, many of them have been at the very least extremely competant and in this development for quite a while. Surely even if they had not noticed this flaw, then the guys at Hyperion working on OS4 surely would have as they are building the other half.

While I agree that an SDK as you have described is essential, and we have been assured that this will be provided at some point, the nicest development platform in the galaxy is not going to get major software houses to develop for a platform that only has a few thousand people as userbase.At best we may get some ports, but even that is difficult to make a profit on as I am sure the Hyperion guys will tell you.

I am no programmer, so I really cant give you the nitty gritty you desire.However, the intrest it has atracted from such companies as Sharp, Nokia, Sendo, and even microsoft and Genesi says there has to be something to this DE thing. I may not like Genesi, but those guys are no-ones fools and it seems to me the long running dispute between Genesi and Amiga Inc would make it less likely that Genesi would want Amiga DEas it would end up helping Amiga Inc if Genesi did get it ported to thier platform.

Maybe you ae right, maybe I am being overly enthusiastic abut it, but on the other hand, maybe I am not.

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