Interview with KMOS CEO Garry Hare (25 Mar 04)

[IonDeluxe]

Impersonation huh? it is impersonation if he said he was CEO, or said nothing. But he said he was not yet CEO of AMiga Inc and is thereby not impersonating a CEO. That is the "evidence" we have.Now so many people choose to ignore this "evidence" saying its not reliable, and then go on about waiting for other "evidence" to present itself.If you are going to use the "evidence" line then ALL evidence must be considered true and correct until proven otherwise.

I think that his offer to take up the burden of honouring the coupons a much greater telling of the character of the man than this rubbish over a business card.

With all the evidence available there is nothing to put doubt on what Gary Hare has said, therefore on the evidence we have available we must conclude that what Gary Hare has said is the truth.

There is no evidence either of IP laundering,and lack of any evidence to the contrary is not evidence in and of itself.

Quite simply there is not enough evidence available to prove anything other than what Has been claimed by Mr Hare so all this wasted text is nothing more than stirring up trouble.

It would be alot more conststructive no say nothing until such evidence comes to light, and/or  such law officials that are responsible for such thing tell us otherwise.

[IonDeluxe]

We have heresay saying "I wasn't CEO"

Its not hearsay when it comes from the source.

and then we have sworn testimony in federal court saying "Garry Hare is CEO

I have not seen this, can you provide a link?

and Amiga Inc's attempt to discredit them.

Amiga Inc never tried to confirm or deny that the credit card was legit. They only said Bill McEwen was CEO and no more.

Frankly, with the information available, one would be a fool to be certain either way

I agree, if you read my post carefully I have said we do not have enough "evidence" to prove anything.

It really amazes me that whenever anyone says anything in this community, like this interview, it is attacked, rediculed and flamed so hard and in so short a time.
Its time people started worrying about themselves thier choices and thier platform rather than trying to burn others down. Each side has plenty of its own stuff to worry about thats for sure.

It's high time we became constructive rather than destructive. Try it guys, you might even like it :-o

[IonDeluxe]

Is it uncilivilised to suggest that this is most likely an IP laundering exercise? No, I think it is just being realistic.

Actually its just spreading FUD as there is not any real proof of this.

Hearsay evidence (Law), that species of testimony which consists in a a narration by one person of matters told him by another. It is, with a few exceptions, inadmissible as testimony. --Abbott

As it comes directly from the source it is NOT hearsay.It is also interesting to note BBRV has not refuted this claim.
Of course, if one of these guys that recieved a card directly comes forward and verifies Gary Hare's story, all these BBRV supporters will claim that the new "witness" is in on some plot to discredit BBRV.

I find it interesting how quickly the focus of the "blue side" has changed from Amiga Inc. to Gary Hare.Hardly a word has been spoken about them, are they bo longer the greatest evil to the Amiga scene since the inception of time?

[IonDeluxe]

Are Hyperion or Ben Hermans directly or indirectly involved? I don't know, and I seriously doubt they'd admit it if they were. Either way, the whole episode looks particularly shady from where I'm sitting.

Nevertheless, this is still hearsay, and still without any proof to back it up and as such is still FUD.

since I do not know the US legal system

You say you dont know the system yet you still dribble this:

Since any such contractual clause is legally unenforceable

Thereby destroying and credibility this statement had.

but I think it is quite a logical deduction given what we know rather than what we are told.

And finally we dont know anything.Do you know what contract Hyperion had with Amiga Inc? Do you know what that contract entails. Considering that you "do not know the US legal system" can you seriously tell us that this contract is illegal?Do you know the details of the sale of this to itec or the details of the sale of itec to KMOS, who set KMOS up, where the money came from that Amiga Inc. now seems to have?

YOU DONT KNOW SQUAT!

Anyone can pull a few dates and statements out of the air to make it fit any kind of conspiracy theory they like.This is nothing more than conjecture, supposition, assumption put together with a good deal of trouble making and nothing else until you get some proof to back yourself up.

[IonDeluxe]

It matters not. Gary claims that he "gave a disclaimer" and no proof exists otherwise.
So the claim he misrepresented himself as CEO of Amiga has no basis to stand on.

Saying those individuals are part of the public is a stretch. Offering those cards to everyone at the shows he attended and putting them in a dish free for all is public. Handing them out to a certain few individuals is not.In any case, Gary Hare claims he gave a "disclaimer" and none of the people he gave them to have said otherwise.

The person who represented Gary Hare as CEO of Amiga to the public is those who posted that he was, namely BBRV, and Wayne, pawn or not, you assisted in this deception.And this is a matter of public record that IS proveable.

It is NOT Gary Hare we should be chastising(though he deserves a smack on the wrist for giving those cards out prematurely) but BBRV who tracked down and specificly asked for this card, then with full knowledge of the truth misrepresented Gary Hare to the public as the new CEO of Amiga Inc, and even claimed credit for pushing out B McEwen.
It is his behaviour that is deploreable, dishonest, untruthful and outright lies in an attempt to besmirch someone as they came on the scene. Throw enough mud and some of it will stick goes the saying.
BBRV is an expert at throwing mud thats for sure.

[IonDeluxe]

I somewhat agree. I place the blame squarely on everyone who KNEW the truth, and never spoke up while they watched people who were telling the truth be called liars. That's a damnable offense, quite literally.

What about people who knew the truth, but perpetuated the lie? BBRV is the root cause of perpetuating this into the community and using it for nefarious purposes.

@Wayne
people in glass houses. You were [moderated] enough to believe BBRV's {bleep} and bull story and dense enough to turn it into a personal crusade, and also to blind to see you were nothing but a pawn, as so many others have been.Funny, after your tirades, that now this is all out of proportion when you were so instramental in the initial blowing to begin with.
I am also getting very tired of moderators letting Wayne call others idiots when others get the mod stick applied.

Edit by Moderator: Missed that - situation rectified.  Thank you for pointing that out.

@Tbone nobody said it was waynes fault for being false information, it has been said it is his fault for perpetuating this whole drama.

Bill McEwen gives his delayed deposition, claims ownership of the OS, says Amiga Inc is broke,

Claims possesion there is a difference

(Interestingly, Itec apparently is financing KMOS as well).

What is your source on this?

Itec LLC is incorporated. (This is interesting because Garry describes this company which is 3 years younger then Amiga Inc as the source of Amiga Incs funding) In truth, Amiga Inc has been broke and officeless since before Itec was incorporated.

this has no relevance, a company can invest in other companies if they are incorporated or not.

Thendic wins their case against Amiga Inc.

incorrect, Thendic win a default judgement in thier favor. There is a big difference.
I find it interesting how a company that went bankrupt and does not exist any longer can win a case, and how another company can claim to be affilliated with this non existant company and have any claim in this case, especially when the pegasos is made by a third company again.

Bill Buck asks for a rewrite of the judgement.

this is alot more than a simple "rewrite" what Genesi wanted and what the judge gave them are two  vastly different things, even though genesi are not signaturies of the contract, and the company that is no longer exists.

A lot of work involved, but that puts things into perspective very nicely where this shell game is concerned.

Give one piece of solid evidence that this is the case.No co-incidences show me the money trail, show me that the same people registered these companies, that they are both owned by the same holding company. Show me anything that provides concrete proof, not opinions.

Why these people are so determined to mix Gary Hare and KMOS up with the percieved wrongdoings of AMiga Inc. and its spokespeople is beyond me at times.Could it be that they are just sore that it appears that AmigaOS and/or DE will escape the grasp of BBRV?

This continuing harrassment of AMiga Inc and now KMOS by percieved affiliation is just rediculous when BBRV has managed to run at least 3 businesses into bankruptsy, has non paid employees, created this entire business card fiasco, cancelled health insureance for the employees as well, and generally screwd up most of everything and everyone he has touched. Yet these same people treat him as the messiah.
Look to your own backyard is what I say to them.
This business card thing really pales into triviality in comparison to non paid employees and cancelled health insureance.Thats real lives and real pain and real suffering we are talking about there, not just a bit of pride.

[IonDeluxe]

@wayne
No I dont want to argue about business cards, but I am not going to let you or anyone else keep dribbling this rubbish unopposed.
BBRV is DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for misrepresenting Gary Hare to the public PERIOD. Gary hare did not go to shows handing out cards willy nilly, he gave them to a specific few people only.BBRV's claims were bogus, and he knew them to be.

Before you go digging up pergury claims have a look at BBRV first, he is not short on that line either.He says whatever suits him at the time and worries about the truth of things after the fact.OMG the "DE operating system" has been grafted onto AmigaOS to make it an OS, give me a break.

A default judgment is a win, period.

Depends on your point of view.A "win" implies that there was opposition to the claim and thier agruments were found to be in the right.This did not happen so they got "default judgement" which means whoever was right was never established.

The "Thendic == Genesi" thing has already been addressed by the courts and the judge accepted Genesi as the rightful party in this case. Otherwise, the case would have been dismissed long ago.

Maybe they have, but that does not mean they were not lied to again. Ihave not seen any court documents describing thier affiliation to Thendic, nor have I see how they can claim affiliation when Thendic is Bankrupt and no longer exists.If you have a link to this I would be most interested to see it.I seriously doubt you HAVE any evidence of this, or you would not have gone back to the business cards again..btw shut up about the business cards

@iondeluxe (or should I say Vorteaux?)

Just another example where wild claims take the place of truth if left unanswered.You are the webmaster, check the IP and you would realize we are not even in the same hemisphere.

Finally, dont go telling me what I do or do not want, you dont seem to know that yourself the way you bounce around, let alone anyone else.
I did not bring up the business card thing, but I will defend it, nor did I bring up perjury, which is offtopic anyway so no I wont concentrate on that either.
And finally, your apology had been accepted for what its worth, now if you look closeley you will see that what I was talking about in my comments there is: dont go around calling other people idiots when BBRV has taken you for one and used you to that end. Mr pot, stop calling the kettle black. Even if this was not the case there is no cause for it.

If it continues, you will be joining Vorteaux in a timeout.

I do not repond well to threats, even meanigless ones like this one. However this threat makes a mockery of the claims this is a "free" board in comparison to the "Amigaworld nazis"

Now do you want to talk about the rest of the interview and actually want to try to find some positives in it, or are you so soured you no longer have the ability to do so?

[IonDeluxe]

Trolls ought to be barred, whether they like it or not. Particularly those who are incapable of discussing matters withour resorting to personal insults and pedantry.

I agree with the first, the "pedantry" is a bit laughable for two reasons.

1. No one ever admits to it.
2. We sometime have to resort to it to get a point across.

Pedantry for its own sake is another matter.

BTW is there such a word as "pedanrty" ?  :-D